Talk:Kaunas

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Ethnic groups in 1897 census

  Jews (35.3%)

  Russians (25.8%)

  Poles (22.7%)

  Lithuanians (6.6%)

  Other (9.6%)

Pofka, you removed this illustration, saying that there was "no need to duplicate" information that is in the ==Demographics== section. However, this information isn't in the ==Demographics== section; it's in the ==History== section.

I added this illustration to Kaunas#Russian Empire (part of the ==History== section), based on the text in that sub-section. Illustrations are generally supposed to illustrate content that's already in the article, not introduce completely new/unique information. If you want all the information about historical demography in the ==Demographics== section, then I think you should move all of it, including the illustration, instead of removing only the illustration. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: This article is not perfect and certainly requires additional work. I improved "History" section myself, but it is still certainly not good enough as a whole. I think "History" section should not analyze percentage of inhabitants of the city as it is the task of section "Demographics" (which is currently even worse than "History" section). This pie template you inserted is quite problematic because it signifies only one census from 1897, but there were more equally important censuses. Moreover, this pie template analyzes the same census for the third time already. I think such pie template maybe could be used only in articles like Demographics of Lithuania if they would analyze census year by year in detail. Consequently, I think a dedicated yearly table of contents (year, first ethnic group %, second ethnic group %, etc.) should be created in "Demographics" section (as it is in other cities sections about demographics) in the future and events which influenced these numbers should be described in text in "Demographics" section (e.g. wars which changed ethnic composition of the city). Such input would be very valuable. -- Pofka (talk) 20:29, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Did they really do a census every single year? I only saw four years mentioned in the article: 1897, 1923, 2011, and 2021.

100 100 100 100 1897 1923 2011 2021

Total: 400 Jews Russians Poles Lithuanians Other

If you would like to use those to illustrate a trend over time, then a bar graph would work better. That could look something like this, for the four years that are mentioned in the article. Another approach is to use the original 1897 pie chart, and add a caption that says something like "At the end of the 19th century, only about one out of every 15 residents were Lithuanian; by the start of the 21st century, the numbers had reversed, and now nearly all residents are Lithuanians." WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Split section "Coat of arms" into individual article

I believe Kaunas#Coat of arms should be spun off from main article and created as Coat of arms of Kaunas. As there is already have an article for this in Lithuanian Wikipedia: lt:Kauno herbas, it's reasonable to do it for English Wikipedia as well. This may require some acknowledges for foreign languages to bring some contents from other language articles (see: d:Q8146004). -- Great Brightstar (talk) 15:00, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Short section about the coat of arms is a valuable and necessary content. Moreover, I think currently it is not too long. However, I would not oppose creating a new article Coat of arms of Kaunas if somebody is planning to work on a more extensive article than this section at Kaunas#Coat of arms. In this case we could include Template:Main to section Kaunas#Coat of arms. On the other hand, if we will completely remove section Kaunas#Coat of arms then I think it will be quite difficult to find article Coat of arms of Kaunas for those who will not know that such article exists and I don't think that Template:Main would fit anywhere else in article Kaunas. -- Pofka (talk) 10:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

  Oh... I previously believed you can give a hand to contribute. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 15:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

  There are some Lithuanian sources which could be helpful for creating article Coat of arms of Kaunas (see: 1, 2, 3) and searching for "Kauno herbas" in Google books provides quite a lot of results (see: HERE), but most of them are locked without paying for these books, so research is complicated there. Creating a decent article about the Coat of arms of Kaunas would require quite a lot of knowledge and research. I doubt that I have enough knowledge to create such an article at the moment and I doubt that it is a priority work because there are much more important Lithuania-related articles which require improvements (including this main article of Kaunas). -- Pofka (talk) 19:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose for now, per Pofka’s argument about it not being too long. Add more info from those other-language pages to this article for the time being, and if/when it gets too big, it can be split off. HappyWith (talk) 04:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

"Druisk" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Druisk has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 11 § Druisk until a consensus is reached. #prodraxis ^connect 03:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)