Talk:Zhang Liang (Western Han)

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Zhang Liang was the most brilliant strategist I have ever heard. His intelligence helped Liu Bang to establish the Han Dynasty. His best contribution was discovering Han Xin. I Like Zhang Liang very much. his brilliant eyes recognizeed Liu Bang as the emperor.

2005-11-04 About English terms: The author should consider using another term other than "created". Twice out of three times in which it occurs, "named" would seem more appropriate. There's probably a more formal term for this. Liu Bang didn't create anyone. He invested certain people with certain titles, it seems. ...The title of a novel comes to mind, "The Creation of the Gods". The translation "creation" is a bit misleading here. Another translation used was "investiture". Anyway, for your consideration.

PS: Isn't Zhang Liang the one who retired after Liu Bang defeated Xiang Yu, saying something about how after the hunt, the hunting dogs are killed? It's a great quote; but according to this article, it seems that he didn't really withdraw from service to Liu Bang/Emperor Gao. Incidentally, the quote comes to mind in the case of Yoshitsune in Japanese history.

"Create" is the right term. See, for example, http://www.webster.com/dictionary/create. --Nlu 06:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Proverb[edit]

There is a cantonese proverb regarding to Zhang Liang, but i forgot the whole meaning, it goes like this "You got Zhang Liang list/strategy, but I got Po Chuang List/strategy". Can anybody clearify the correct phrase to me? Basically the meaning of this proverb is about countering someones list.

Just two great strategists?[edit]

"Zhang is regarded as one of the two greatest strategists in Chinese history (the other is Jiang Ziya)" What about Zhuge Liang? --SohanDsouza (talk) 09:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, incidentally, only two great strategists are spoken of, Zhang Liang, and Jiang Ziya, simply because of the fact that Zhang was instrumental in the founding of Han (four centuries long, including Western and Eastern), and Jiang, because the Zhou dynasty lasted for eight hundred years. Zhuge Liang may have been a great strategist, but he didn't even manage to help Liu unify China, hence why he is discounted.

Catties conversion[edit]

Who was it that did the conversion into pounds from catties? 120 catties isn't 160lb. 9 catties (modern) convert to 10 lb. The ancient catty, as recorded in the Shiji, is only half a modern catty. Hence 120 catties is roughly equivalent to 30kg (which does make more sense); it would be perhaps possible for a very strong man to throw a 30kg mass a few yards, while 160lb would be beyond anyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.75.33 (talk) 02:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]