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Being ranked #6 on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 is NOT the same as being ranked #106 on the Hot 100 (in fact, the Hot 100 is so-called because it only includes EXACTLY 100 entries). The Bubbling Under Hot 100 ONLY includes songs that have not (yet) charted on the Hot 100. For instance, if a song hit 100 on the charts, and then dropped five spots (making it now #105), it would NOT appear on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 since it has already charted in the Hot 100. For addition info, please see Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles. i think its fine.. leave it alone ;]°the only thing i said was hi.. y r u doing this???

Merge John Ondrasik[edit]

Should John Ondrasik and Five for Fighting be merged? Currently Five For Fighting (capital "F" on "For") redirects to John Ondrasik which is a separate article from Five for Fighting (small "f" on "for"). The Five for Fighting article says that is a "screen name" of Ondrasik, while the John Ondrasik article says he is the "chief member" of the band. We probably need to get our stories straight. (I have no knowledge of the guy, so I'm not the one to do it.) --rbrwrˆ 19:07, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I always thought it was a band, with him as the front man. I don't really know anything about them, but I remember seeing them on TV once (I think it was an NHL All-Star game) and they said they were often asked where the 5th member of their band was by people who don't follow hockey.

To answer the above statement by rbrwr, I would say that John is pretty much the solo member of the band. He writes almost all the music and lyrics for all of Five for Fighting's songs. I do think that the two articles should be merged because the members vary on some of Five for Fighting's songs.

This article would benefit from having some personal information about Ondrasik such as his date of birth.

The article should make it expressly clear that Five for Fighting is not a quintet, contrary to the common myth resulting from its name. --Coolcaesar (talk) 11:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Genre?[edit]

What Genre is FfF? íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 21:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nvm. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 15:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

overview[edit]

Is it necessary to include that the song "Superman (It's Not Easy)" became popular after the September 11 attacks in 2001?

Five for Fighting[edit]

There's a lot of issues with this one - way too much puff and non-encyclopedic content, including instructions on where to buy albums, a blow by blow listing of when each of every single comes out - some serious reorganization needs to be dealt with. I did some minor copy-editing, but someone with time who knows what they're doing ought to take a shot at overhauling this entry. Echoedmyron (talk) 22:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just took a crack at refining it a bit. I know the intro still isn't big, but I just can't think of any real "career-spanning" stuff other than his singles. It's my first big editing job, so I hope I did Wiki justice. TomQ541 (talk) 00:32, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking to touch up this page as best I can. For now, I've added a little bit to the intro (mentioned his later singles and his Grammy nomination, which had somehow been left out!). I also added a couple live albums to the discography. Long term, though, this page will probably need a major revision. His career as Five for Fighting now spans 20+ years (and his pre-FFF stuff goes way farther back than that), so maybe the main body of this page can be organized into a few sub-sections. It currently has 20-25 years worth of info with no subheaders or anything. I may be able to do some of that. Another long-term goal would be to get him his own discography page. There are artists who have their own discography pages despite only having a handful of singles and a couple albums. This guy has a dozen releases between studio albums and live albums (to say nothing of the singles), going all the way back to the mid-90s. I think a discography page to accompany this article would be great, but someone more skilled at tables and formatting would be better for it. Arrowhead1014 (talk) 01:56, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Life[edit]

I'm a little confused by some of the things in the personal life section: firstly, that his political affiliation had recently changed back to Republican and was backed up with a really old source. I've included the post (from 2016) where he says in his own words that he's an independent, and not a Republican. If a user wants to change it back to Republican, please find a source where Ondrasik says he's Republican again -- one that is more recent than 2016, when he became independent.

Secondly, I question the value of the quote about Ondrasik's distaste for Saturday Night Live. What does John Ondrasik have to do with SNL? Why is this relevant enough to be included when John tweets about all kinds of things (mainly sports)? Arrowhead1014 (talk) 18:52, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It’s worse than that now. Someone has scrubbed from the article any mention of the fact that Ondrasik was a Republican. He may now identify as independent, but he’s hardly departed from his right-wing conservatism, as evidenced by his screed set to music excoriating the Biden administration (and called out Blinken directly) for the 2021 troop withdrawal. That’s totally his right: he’s an artist and he can express himself as he chooses to. Furthermore, given his contempt for SNL, as well as his "poor little persecuted Hollywood conservative me" interviews with Hugh Hewitt and Glenn Beck, we shouldn’t pretend this guy isn’t an outspoken conservative. In America, there’s no law against being an a**hole conservative—and Ondrasik is taking full advantage of that.FieldDreamer (talk) 12:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hard rock?[edit]

Maybe a few album cuts here and there were hard rock, but not enough so for it to be included in the infobox. Also, the ref used says "harder rocking edge", which doesn't mean "hard rock". Music refs are supposed to explicitly say the genre, but when I took it off, it got put back on, for some reason.

Dpm12 (talk) 20:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It was not restored "for some reason." I gave my reasons on the edit summaries. It was restored because the original edit summary said that the sources did not mention alternative rock or hard rock, but both of the sources did. The alternative one said it word-for-word, so I restored it. I assumed that the editor who removed it simply missed it.

On the hard rock one, the words from the article are "harder rock edge," not "harder rocking edge." Not sure there's a huge difference, but let's at least be clear of the exact wording before we base our whole debate around them. Whether this constitutes hard rock label or not, I'm happy to go with whatever the consensus is. But claiming the reference does not mention it at all (a claim that was repeated on my talk page) is false. Also not too pleased about the accusation on an edit summary that I will "just put it back" if it's deleted. I'm happy to discuss, but not to be accused of editing in bad faith. Arrowhead1014 (talk) 18:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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