Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eastern Pact

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The result of the debate was RESULT: DELETE 11-0 Noel (talk) 19:43, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Eastern Pact

The whole item is fake and entirely invented.

This article is simply complete nonsense! I strongly recommend to remove it instantly, please. This kind of disinformation is dangerous for all wikiusers, because it confuses them with ´facts´ which are intended to convince the reader of the ´truth´ of this virtual history (or may be intentional propaganda?). Chinese and asian history are severely distorted in this abstruse fabrication. Viet Nam and Mongolia e.g. both of them firm allies or even satellites of the USSR, had not even diplomatic relations with the PR China in the period (1980-85) discussed. The PR China attacked Viet Nam in February 1979 in order to ´punish´ Viet Nam for occupying PR Chinas ally ´khmer rouge´ Cambodia and concluding a military pact with the USSR. After 3 weeks of vicious battles along the sino-vietnamese border approx. 25000 chinese and 15000 vietnamese soldiers were dead; some vietnamese bordertowns razed to the ground and diplomatic relations were only restored in 1991. This item constitutes a provocation for all chinese, vietnamese and korean people. So please remove that crap! 29.5.05 G.R.S

Additionally it is especially bizarre by the author of this fabrication to maintain that PR Mongolia where up to 150000 soviet troops (heavy armour and ballistic missiles included!) were stationed until 1991, did conclude a military pact with USSR archenemy PR China! Quite superfluous to describe the northkorean line of equidistance between PRC and USSR which enabled KIM IL SUNG to exert more influence (and get more material aid from both sides)in this peculiar strategic situation. The DPRK actually had bilateral military pacts with both PRC and USSR. Wikipedia is no place for virtual provocation, please remove this article soon! 29.05.05 G.R.S

Another example for the authors total ignorance of facts is his statement that Angola got into this ´pact´ 1982. During this time there raged a bitter civil war between the MPLA government faction (in Luanda) allied with the USSR (also with Cuba which sent up to 40000 troops) and the UNITA under warlord JONAS SAVIMBI propped up by the USA, South Africa (Apartheidgovernment), Israel and PR China. Actually PR China was the biggest armssupplier of the UNITA second only to the USA. After 25 years of fighting approx. 1.5 million people were killed in this gruesome war. No further comment needed about the pure idiocy of argumentation in this provocative fake item. I suggest that this insulting piece of anti-chinese propaganda should be removed after this deletion procedure. 30.05.05 G.R.S G.R.S 30.05.05

The in the item mentioned ´Vientiane Treaty´ seems to have existed between 1985-89 but got invalid after the vietnamese military disengagement (1989 Cambodia, 1991 Laos). Some sources say that this tripartite agreement was only a propaganda coup to legitimize vietnamese domination in indochina and had no real effect on regional security. A bilateral military pact between Laos and Viet Nam concluded in 1977 still exists but ´only´ vietnamese military and intelligence ´instructors´ are present in the country today. The vietnamese satellite government of Cambodia lead by khmer rouge dissident HUN SEN initially had a similar pact with Viet Nam but after Hanoi´s retreat in the fall 1989 and the subsequent reduction of vietnamese influence Phnom Penh dissolved it. At present HUN SEN and his CPP still control Cambodia in collaboration with the royalist FUNCINPEC of Prince NORODOM RANARRIDH (ever loyal to China!) but he has changed his overlord to the rising superpower PR China. Also in Laos chinese influence is on the rise but the old pathet lao guard still on duty in Vientiane know that they came only to power by vietnamese bajonets and do not want to break with Hanoi for the time being. However it only a question of time when Laos and inevitably also Viet Nam enter orbit around the new (or very old!) asian hegemon.In the next few years eventually even the US will learn that fighting against gravitation is simply a fools game. G.R.S 31.05.05

• VFD nominated by 82.83.237.159 (talk · contributions)

• Comment. As Aris Katsaris noted at the top of this article's talk page, there are no external references cited, and there are no relevant Google hits -- except for Wikipedia's mirror sites. I'd like someone to help me find offline references to verify this article's content before I vote here. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:24, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Looks like there is nothing to verify this. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:54, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Absolute fiction. — Phil Welch 04:17, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
• Thank you for identifying this for us. Delete. Everyking 05:12, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Mark¹ 05:35, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - attempt of secret history or conspiracy theory. Possibly a plot of some political thriller. Don't forget the purge the other articles linking to this page as well - Skysmith 08:38, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
  • If you think that's important, go VfD the individual articles yourself. But you'll have to write serious nominations, not just assert that the author's a bozo. ----Isaac R 17:36, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I was referring to the fact that the original writer had linked this from other articles. It seems they have been purged already - Skysmith 09:13, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not notable conspiracy theory. Megan1967 09:23, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless somebody comes up with some actual documentation for this "Pact". (Not holding my breath.) But the nominator's concerns about "disinformation" don't justify summary removal of this article -- everybody deserves a chance to defend their material, no matter how ridiculous it is. ---Isaac R 17:36, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete page history and redirect to Warsaw Pact. Martg76 21:28, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unverified. - Etacar11 23:53, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete absolutely no verification of facts
• Delete Until the late 80s even the mail between China and Vietnam was routed via Singapore. preetam rai

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