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Tendentious editing removed[edit]
User:Penlite your recent edits to Audie Murphy and, to Night Passage (film), constitute Tendentious editing (editorial bias), and have been reverted. — Maile (talk) 14:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know about Night Passage but I don't understand how the edit to this article was tendentious or vandalism. Can you explain your reason for the revert? Coretheapple (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have the same concern about the Night Passage edit (which is not really relevant to the edit here). It is original research, not tendentious. Coretheapple (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Coretheapple please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Audie_Murphy_articles. I reverted my edits on Night Passage, but I'm seriously concerned the recent edits on this article takes it from Feature Article quality to tabloid quality. Getting this to FA literally took a team of top-quality editors, and constant interfering by one editor who was obsessed that Audie didn't deserve any medals. That editor also rewrote the article every time we got it close to FA. But it doesn't hurt to ask others, which is why I posted the question at MH. — Maile (talk) 22:31, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Coretheapple It looks to me like my reverts have been corrected, and hopefully, this article is now where it should be. Thank you for taking the time to ask about it. — Maile (talk) 23:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm getting hold of the Graham book. I wonder whether we have enough to show Murphy in a well-rounded fashion. Coretheapple (talk) 16:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've gotten the book and look forward to reading it. As I mentioned in the milhist talk page, I wonder whether we may be downplaying some aspects of his character a tad. If so, we are doing neither the reader nor his legacy any favors. Coretheapple (talk) 23:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Coretheapple It looks to me like my reverts have been corrected, and hopefully, this article is now where it should be. Thank you for taking the time to ask about it. — Maile (talk) 23:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- The Graham book is interesting. It's new to me but I imagine editors here are familiar with it as it is cited several times. I see no discussion of the book's value as a source in the archives and I was wondering if editors have strong feelings about it one way or the other. I'm not sure more is needed from that book, by the way, but it does have some interesting details. Coretheapple (talk) 15:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- I note also that there is a 2015 biography, The Price of Valor, that may be useful. I'm getting a copy of it. I note that it is listed as "further reading" but not is not used as a source, and I was wondering why that would be. A description of the book indicates that it discusses Murphy's birth date and states that he was born in 1925, and use of that source would obviate the need to utilize primary sources as we seem to do here. The Graham book is quite good, but going through the archives I see that someone observed that the book tends to include uncorrobroated anecdotes. This is true, and they need to be used with caution but I don't think that they necessarily should be excluded entirely. Reading the Graham book, I am struck by how one of its primary themes, which was an examination of Murphy's character and personality, is not reflected in this article adequately. Considering that this is a featured article, it is striking that a significant element of the subject's biography would appear to be neglected. Coretheapple (talk) 16:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- I just wanted to mention that I finished The Price of Valor and it is largely of little value as a source. Except for confirming the birth date (which I suspect was inspired by this article!) it has little that wasn't in the Graham book in considerably greater detail. Also it appears to contradict the Graham book on whether Murphy went backrupt. It says he did. I believe Graham says he did not. Further, the Graham book goes into substantial detail over Murphy's involvement in an effort on behalf of Jimmy Hoffa. Nothing in Valor on that. I also noted duplicate phrases here and there. Coretheapple (talk) 22:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- at update at on the same calibre of audie murphy 2601:642:4C02:4B99:3911:A441:73C8:F3AC (talk) 16:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
birth year disparity[edit]
Murphy's given birth year in the article does not match the year shown on his headstone. 2601:249:8F80:7BF0:5D7:BE7A:3249:8D9E (talk) 23:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Most decorated soldier claim[edit]
Just an FYI. Please do not archive this. While Audie Murphy has always been considered the "most decorated" combat soldier of World War II, that claim is based on decades-old information. Recent years and belated awards to others, bring that into question. Garlin Murl Conner and Matt Urban are also considered the "most decorated". — Maile (talk) 13:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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