Talk:Nitrous oxide (medication)

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For a September 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Entonox

Note that "Entonox" is a trademark of BOC Gases.

Could someone paragraph this? It's very wordy.

At the time you wrote that comment, it was paragraphed - I see no problems. Please remember to sign your comments by typing ~~~~, which Wikipedia automatically translates into a signature and timestamp. _TheIslander 22:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page move[edit]

Please note that I have moved this page to Nitrous oxide 50%-oxygen 50%, which is a better description (albeit wordier) but allows for more international scope to the article, especially given that Entonox is a registered trademark of British Oxygen Company, and it is known as Nitronox is places such as the US. OwainDavies ^(about)_(talk) edited at 21:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per many reasons (not least your incorrect method of 'moving' the page, i.e. a cut-copy move), this is a bad idea. Firstly, the title to which you moved this article is, I'm sorry, appalling. No one would search for this article using the term 'Nitrous oxide 50%-oxygen 50%'. Entonox, Oxynox and Nitronox are the only names by which it is known, and thus one of them must be used. It makes sense to use the term that has been used up until now, in a similar vain to WP:ENGVAR, with the others as redirects. There is no particular need to change the article name, and certainly not to something as unwieldy as that; we simply need to ensure that good redirects are created. _Talk Islander 23:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that the title is unwieldy, but is taken verbatim from one of the sources (JRCALC UK ambulance service guidelines). Some training packs i've seem do refer to it as nitrous/oxygen 50:50 mix, rather than one of the trade names so i don't accept that only they are acceptable. Trade names for generic products do not make good article titles (entonox, for instance, is only available to those who are customers of BOC) and as you said, i have taken care to ensure that the redirects are in place to ensure people find the correct page. I firmly believe that a page name change is required, to maintain NPOV and took the initiative as per WP:BOLD, given that this article has seen precious little activity or interest from other users in the recent past. I appreciate that there was some copy and paste involved, but as it was a substantial rewrite, and there is not a great deal of salient history in the Entonox page, i took the decision not to port the page, although i'm happy to do it the other way if you'd rather. OwainDavies ^(about)_(talk) edited at 11:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a merge with Nitrous oxide might be more appropriate? - Pontificalibus (talk) 13:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, but i think this particular topic has notability of its own given its widespread use, and there is enough detail to warrant its own topic. Inside the nitrous oxide master topic i think some important detail would be lost. OwainDavies ^(about)_(talk) edited at 13:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll accept your reasoning to move it away from Entonox. However, I still strongly feel that "Nitrous oxide 50%-oxygen 50%" is an unwieldy and poor title choice. What else could we use? What about, for example, Gas and air, the popular colloquial term? Not that I'm saying that that is the best choice, just looking for a good alternative. Your suggested title would be kinda like moving Plaster, a registered trademark, to 'non-fluffy adhesive sterile dressing', a term which I have seen used in a few training materials, and which amuses me to this day :P. The Plaster article actually exists at Adhesive bandage, a good term - let's see if we can find the 'Adhesive bandage' for Entonox. Suggestions? _Talk Islander 15:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Inhalational anaesthetic and Nitrous oxide#In_medicine I would have to say Nitrous oxide in anesthesia would be the most appropriate name. I think getting fixated on the 50/50 mix isn't necessary - most people will be searching for nitrous oxide, as that is the 'active ingredient'. The fact that paracetamol tablets always contain microcrystalline cellulose doesn't mean we should call the article paracetamol,microcrystalline cellulose-mixed in a tablet.--Pontificalibus (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I accept the point about the title, its just taken from one of my main sources. I see the argument for Nitrous oxide in anaesthesia, but goven the importance of oxygen to this particular product, I wonder if we should focus on something like Nitrous oxide and oxygen mix or Nitrous oxide and oxygen blend? That said, i think both articles might be valuable, with my suggestions making a daughter article to a more in depth nitrous in anesthesia one. What is everyone else's thoughts? OwainDavies ^(about)_(talk) edited at 17:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday I went into hospital suffering with what was either food poisoning or gastroenteritis, I think they decided gastroenteritis in the end because my husband had the same food as I did and didn't suffer afterwards. I was in severe pain in the central part of my tummy, stomach and back, felt like something was attacking the inside of my belly button too, so they gave me entonox to help ease the pain. After about 20 seconds I felt very light headed, pressure building in my head, my right hand and leg began to tingle. I started to panic and took the mouth peice out of my mouth. I was going delirious, then suddenly I went blind and my eyes flashing. The paramedic said my eyes had gone up which was why I couldn't see. The effects lasted about 20-30 seconds, then subsided. The pain came back so I decided to attempt at the entonox again, thinking perhaps I wasn't breathing it in right. Again my eyes rolled into my head, my right side went tingly, then my whole body started to convulse. I was fully conscious at the time so it was a very frightning experience and I was upset and confused as to what happened and why. I'm now listed as hypersensitive to entonox. 81.187.6.173 (talk) 15:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nitrous oxide (medication) is not what this article is about. This is an article about Entonox(R). As we have decided not to move the article as suggested above, we should expand the article to cover nitrous oxide properly and make Entonox a subsection of it. As it is now, it gives the impression that the only medical presentation of nitrous oxide is the 50/50 mix (common in dental offices and labor and delivery suites) while pure nitrous oxide administered through (and mixed with other gases by) an anesthesia machine in operating rooms is a probably the most common presentation. MedGME (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Lithium (medication) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:15, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adminstration[edit]

The section titled Administration seems currently only about self-administered use of the. Should it also include some discussion of how it is administered by medical personnel? Or does "administration" only mean self-administered in medical parlance? Pete unseth (talk) 20:23, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The problem is that this article is 90% about Entonox and not about nitrous oxide (medication) which has other ways to be administered, such as inspired via endotracheal tube while the patient is mechanically ventilated. MedGME (talk) 14:23, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]