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Alps Hockey League

more users with more neutral views should check the league/clubs page and decide which of it can stand as professional, how a local user can edit without reliable sources or sometimes contradicting websites. thanks in advance

HK Celje / HDD Jesenice / additionally very interesting argument at HDK Maribor 93.138.223.119 (talk) 21:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

It is a lower professional league, but it is still a professional league. Any changes made that state that it is not professional should be reverted. Deadman137 (talk) 22:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Infobox vandalism

Seeing more juvenile changes in the "owner" parameter. We talked about this issue a while ago, and I finally got around to requesting the edit filter to be changed. See the request here. Those with more technical knowledge than me are welcome to step in. Wracking ^talk! 17:25, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Wracking, I definitely cannot help technically but I have protected numerous pages for a week or more to hopefully stop the immediate vandalism flow once the first series is over. These are pages that have already been attacked, such as Sheldon Keefe and the Nashville Predators. Please feel free to ping me if a page needs protection. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, much appreciated! Wracking ^talk! 18:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Template:Arizona Coyotes roster redirect

There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 29#Template:Arizona Coyotes roster regarding redirect of Template:Arizona Coyotes roster. – sbaio 03:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Flames alternate captains

I edit the altnernate captains of the flames 2023-24 page, along with the listed players (Coleman, Kadri and Weegar), and the edit stood for a couple weeks before they were removed. I was told I did not provide sources when I did. Those players were wearing A’s on their jerseys over previous named alternate captains, Jonathan Huberdeau and Rasmus Andersson. I also forgot to edit the offical NHL Captains and Alternate Captains page. I just want to know if I was in the wrong when naming those players. Tylerboyd17 (talk) 22:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The NHL source in the edit summary is good; the edit is no longer WP:OR. Conyo14 (talk) 23:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The source isn’t good? Tylerboyd17 (talk) 01:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, so the source I used in the flames edits are good? Can I restore my edits on Coleman, Kadri and Weegar? Tylerboyd17 (talk) 00:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes Conyo14 (talk) 00:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Tylerboyd17 (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Some reminders of drafts that need work

Howdy folks, just figured I'd post this to make sure these don't fall by the wayside:

• Draft:NHL 4 Nations Face-Off needs some work to be ready for mainspace, but as it's less than a year from now it should probably be rolled out as soon as possible.

• Draft:History of the National Hockey League (since 2017) is less urgent, but I'd appreciate some more eyes/input on it - thus far, it's just been myself and @Alaney2k, with most of the content ported over from History of the National Hockey League (1992-present).

The Kip 21:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll work on the second draft. When it is in mainspace, could someone send it to review to GA? I believe this draft is very eligible for it. Please give me some time add plenty of citations. Conyo14 (talk) 21:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I have added citations to the unsourced content. More info needs to be provided to the deactivation of the Arizona Coyotes, otherwise I'd say we can present it to mainspace and move History of the National Hockey League (1992–present) to History of the National Hockey League (1992–2017). Conyo14 (talk) 18:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and port over what myself/others wrote on Arizona Coyotes and Utah NHL team in a bit - once it's polished up a bit, we can publish. The Kip 00:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Cleaned up/expanded NHL 4 Nations Face-Off and moved to mainspace.

Couldn't find any English or Swedish source about Sweden's team—the source used on sv.wiki looks like WP:SYNTH to me. Wracking ^talk! 22:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

List of IIHF World Championship medalists

Persistent content disgreement at List of IIHF World Championship medalists seems likely. Any thoughts are welcome. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 19:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

If IP persists, then perhaps a report to WP:AN might be required. GoodDay (talk) 20:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Should we merge pages about the Porin Ässät?

Should we merge some of these following pages into one:

• Pata (esports)
• Porin Ässät
• Porin Ässät (men's football)
• Porin Ässät (men's ice hockey)
• Porin Ässät (women's ice hockey)

That's a lot of pages for ONE sports club and some of them might not be notable on their own.

I'd suggest that men's ice hockey goes together with the women's hockey under the official name "HC Ässät Pori". Esports team page is just put into the Porin Ässät article and the football page can stay as it is right now. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 18:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

It feels like it might compacted too much. If they can't be standalone articles, go for it. Conyo14 (talk) 22:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

For the time being I don't see an issue with moving the women's hockey into the men's article and then moving them into one article as the women's article is fairly small and you see that with Australian rules football articles. Esports and football, agree. Deadman137 (talk) 22:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox broken for WHA amateur draft

The Template:Infobox ice hockey biography is suddenly showing redlinks for the year a player was chosen in the WHA amateur draft – if chosen in any of the 1973 through 1976 drafts. See Bob Neely (first overall 1973), Pat Price (ice hockey) (first overall 1974), Claude Larose (ice hockey, born 1955) (first overall 1975) and Blair Chapman (first overall 1976). The template is working for players drafted by the WHA in 1977, as seen at 1977 first overall pick Scott Campbell (ice hockey, born 1957). Jmg38 (talk) 21:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

If I had to guess, the individual team articles were supposed to be moved to lowercased versions and the template was changed before the moves happened Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 22:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I moved all WHA draft pages except for 1977, which needed a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. – sbaio 07:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

IP editor disrupting Colorado Avalanche pages

Just want to inform everybody that an IP-hopping editor has recently appeared and started disrupting pages related to the Colorado Avalanche (other Denver-related pages are also disrupted) with edits like this. – sbaio 06:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

List of NHL overtime game sevens

I just noticed this WP:CFORK article returned after being redirected to List of NHL game sevens for three years. Anyone mind if I resume the redirect? Conyo14 (talk) 22:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me, plus a subsection of the ten longest game seven overtime games could be added to List of NHL game sevens similar to the most frequent matchups in the List of NHL playoff series. Deadman137 (talk) 22:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good. Wracking ^talk! 23:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

In that overtime article, it's easier to know what the home-vs-road split is in overtime game sevens. While the original game seven article also specifies which games went to overtime, it's harder to track how many overtime games were won at home vs road, and it would feel like a tangent to squeeze that into the original game seven article. Hence with the overtime article, it's easier to track that split. Strangewrite385 (talk) 03:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:List of NHL players with most games played by franchise

An editor is attempting to create Draft:List of NHL players with most games played by franchise, which is useless since we have List of NHL players that has links to pages with that information. – sbaio 14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps discuss it with the editor on his/her talk page? Flibirigit (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

The user is Marino13, they have a history of WP:BATTLEGROUND issues and irregular disruption via new articles. I expect they will not be happy to have this article appropriately redirected. Conyo14 (talk) 17:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

A polite message is an essential building block of Wikipedia. Flibirigit (talk) 20:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

To be exact, it’s a CFORK of List of NHL players with 1,000 games played - it’s almost directly copied from there. The Kip 15:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Help appreciated.

I'd appreciate it if i could get feedback and improvement ideas for the article Satakunnan derby. Cheers! – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 20:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I just did a quick copy edit, including removing the bullet points (I don't think they're necessary). I recommend adding a "background" section, to answer questions like: why does this rivalry exist? what are the main characteristics of this rivalry? Also, try to reduce WP:PROSELINE by adding detail, changing up wording, and putting text in appropriate/relevant paragraphs and sections. Wracking ^talk! 22:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I tried to fix the proseline issue. I can try to find sources about the background of the rivalry. I know it pretty well myself, because I'm from the area and the two cities have been rivals through generations, but I don't think there will be many sources to confirm that though. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 11:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks good! Wracking ^talk! 14:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

RM opened at Djurgårdens IF Hockey

Figure I'd alert the community of this RM opened at Djurgårdens IF Hockey, seeing as it's been buried on the main WP:IH page under all the NAIA national championship ones. The Kip 20:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Merger discussion

Merger discussion here. A proposed merger of Pata (esports) and Porin Ässät. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 19:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:NHL draft combine

Noticed there's no article, so I started a (very rough) draft at Draft:NHL draft combine. Right now, it's basically just a collection of possibly useful sources, and a very basic structure. I invite others to chip in, if interested. Wracking ^talk! 20:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll add some stuff to the history and reception portion of it. Conyo14 (talk) 20:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding PWHL draft to the biography infobox template

Should we add it, or should we wait a few years for the PWHL to be more established? Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 21:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Waiting a bit is probably best. Flibirigit (talk) 23:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

HC Bat Yam

Could someone take a look at HC Bat Yam? The article has a lot of Russian (?) text and the sources aren't good. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 21:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to remove Lester Patrick Trophy from the NHL season-by-season pages

Within the Awards section of each NHL season page (e.g. 2023–24 NHL season) we have been including the Lester Patrick Trophy. Personally, I don't think continuing to do something just because it is how we are currently doing it is always the best reason, and its inclusion I think is something to reconsider. The nature of the Patrick Trophy is "to honor a recipient's contribution to ice hockey in the United States" and the winners can come from a number of different peripheries of the hockey world, not the NHL. In fact, only a small portion of winners have been active NHL players (especially in more recent years), and it has no connection to the active NHL season.
On our "List of National Hockey League awards" page, the Patrick Trophy is listed in the 'See also' section as follows:

• "Lester Patrick Trophy - presented, in part by the NHL, for contributions to hockey in the United States, but not considered an NHL award"

On the actual Lester Patrick Trophy page it reads as follows:

• "It is considered a non-NHL trophy because it may be awarded to players, coaches, officials, and other personnel outside the NHL."

And in recent media by the NHL about their own seasonal awards, it is not even mentioned (see: NHL to announce trophy winners beginning May 14)
The NHL does not include it in it's annual list of awards, our own IceHockey Project does not include it as an NHL award elsewhere, and the actual definition of the award does not relate it to the NHL season.
And as for one final argument, we exclude even more relevant trophies in the tables - a peripheral award like the E. J. McGuire Award of Excellence which is tied into NHL scouting on the season and related to the team that drafts said player, or other community awards like the Willie O’Ree Community Hero Award, which, similar to the Patrick trophy, rewards members of the community not necessarily related to the NHL, but is actually presented by the NHL and is included in the awards ceremony, or the old NHL Foundation Player Award which was given explicitly to active NHL players who contributed to their communities, and is only included in like one season Awards table. We don't even include all of the defunct actual regular season performance related trophies on their respective pages (e.g. Roger Crozier Saving Grace Award - 2000–01 NHL season; NHL/Sheraton Road Performer Award - 2003–04; Scotiabank/NHL Fan Fav Award - 2009–10 NHL season).
All of this is to say, I propose we remove the Lester Patrick Trophy from the awards table due to lack of relevance and/or at least add all of the other peripheral trophies, too (I am willing to volunteer to do the work). –uncleben85 (talk) 15:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure, sounds good. It is a non-NHL award, mostly kept intact by the HHOF. Conyo14 (talk) 16:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

If a person associated with the NHL receives the award, it could be listed in the see also section for that specific NHL season. Flibirigit (talk) 17:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Ravenswing 18:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Don't see any reason not to if it's not officially an NHL award. The Kip 20:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)