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In a recent edit "Jr." was removed from the lead sentence of this article as per MOS:JR. But shouldn't it be included? The policy states that: "Using Jr., Sr., or other such distinctions, including in the lead sentence of an article, is only for cases in which the name with the suffix is commonly used in reliable sources." (Emphasize added.) To my knowledge it is used semi-regularly when stating his full name and Madison himself also signed documents with Jr. included, chiefly the U.S. Constitution. Though I'm not exactly sure if it should be included, so I didn't want to just revert the change. Truth-minister (talk) 22:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
James Madison's common name is without the Junior. G. Washington and B. Franklin were the way those two founders signed the Constitution, but are not their common names. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:12, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not only referring to how the founders wrote their names on the U.S. Constitution.
But I might be in the wrong here, as Madison's name seems to be most commonly without the Jr. when distinction with his father isn't necessary and it's mentioned in the infobox. Truth-minister (talk) 13:55, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fairly sure that Madison never signed his name with this designation added; also all version in print of The Federalist Papers print his name on the covers without this designation added. Wehwelt's edit looks correct. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:41, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will not revert the change as it's most likely a correct one. Thanks for your opinions on it though. Truth-minister (talk) 21:02, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the Jr. pending a showing that it was, or better, is, commonly used in reliable sources. If he signed the US constitution with it, maybe start "James Madison (born James Madison Jr.; ...)?--Wehwalt (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wehwalt's comment is well taken; see my comment above about the accepted usage of his name for his publications. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Add on to the end of "By treaty or through war, Native American tribes ceded 26,000,000 acres (11,000,000 ha) of land to the United States under Madison's presidency." , "He is also the shortest president, at 5ft 4 inches."
source: https://archive.org/details/factsaboutpresid00kane/page/344/mode/2upNU2605 (talk) 13:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Gwillhickers: I noticed that you have some expertise on this topic; therefore, I'm mentioning you here. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 12:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the compliment. I'm familiar with Madison mostly where it concerns his principle role in drafting and debating the Constitution. You might want to also contact Cmguy777. In any case, if there are reliable sources that support this proposal any registered editor can add it to the narrative without making this sort of edit request. Cheers. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
I was looking through your request, and in my opinion the information could be added. I'm wondering what would be the right place for it, maybe we shouldn't have it next to the information not related to Madison's appearance. I couldn't find a section related to it, can anyone else find a spot?
Done: added "(shortest US president) to infobox Height field, with citation as suggested by NU2605. Xan747 (talk) 19:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Madison's height in the info box is fine by me. There is no need to mention Madison's height in the article narration. That information is more trivia than having any major historical significance. Thanks. Cmguy777 (talk) 16:45, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey guys. The times "in office" within "Delegate from Virginia to the Congress of the Confederation" don't follow chronological order. Maybe you guys would like to change that.
Amazing article by the way, great effort. Thiago1314 (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added brief information on the Second Amendment. I thought it was needed for the article. It is mainly general information from Cost (2021), not meant to be political in any way. Thanks. Cmguy777 (talk) 04:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the initial purpose of the Second Amendment, was to counter the image of the British "Redcoats" standing army and reinforce the U.S. Government was established by the consent of citizens. Cmguy777 (talk) 04:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. POTUS.com is not a reliable source. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Politically Bias Language and Ignorance of the Words "Democracy" and "Republic".[edit]
"Dissatisfied with the weak national government established by the Articles of Confederation, he helped organize the Constitutional Convention, which produced a new constitution designed to strengthen republican government against democratic assembly."
The word "Republic" comes from Ancient Roman after overthrow of monarchy, where it then became a republic around 500 BC. The United States became a Republic, when it declared Independence from the British Government and monarchy.
The word "Democracy" comes from Ancient Greek, where representative from districts would go to the capitol to vote (Not to be confused with direct voting, Referendum). Also traced back to about 500 BC.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Maybe someone can phrase it in a more neutral language and logical sentences.
Example: "which produced a new constitution designed to strengthen republican government for (not against) democratic assembly."