Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Howard Tayler
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was merge with Schlock Mercenary. -- Scott eiπ 07:06, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
Howard Tayler[edit]
Vanity bio of artist notable only for his webcomic, which already has a very lengthy article. ←Hob 09:02, 2005 May 21 (UTC)
- Keep. If his web-comic is notable enough for an entry then he is as well. Leithp 11:04, 21 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep since his webcomic's article is already very lengthy, it will be best separate. Kappa 13:16, 21 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge, he has done nothing other than write the webcomic, I can't see how these approx 200 words can't possibly fit in the comics article--nixie 14:35, 21 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to Schlock Mercenary. Leithp's reasoning is specious RickK 23:06, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
- Why? Were I interested in this webcomic I might look up Wikipedia for biographical information on the creator. I would expect to find it on a seperate page to Schlock Mercenary. I agree that the article as it stands leaves a lot to be desired, but that's not a reason for deletion. Leithp 10:01, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- By that logic, we should have a bio page for every webcomic artist. Look, the guy has done one comic strip, and if we merge the articles, then you will still be able to find the info by searching for his name. Although I can't think why you would need to do that, since there is an even more detailed bio page on the Schlock Mercenary website. You might "expect" to find separate articles for all kinds of things but that doesn't mean we create them. And I'm pretty sure this fails the verifiability test: as far as I know, except for his co-authorship of a software book, there is no source for any of this information except the bio page on Tayler's own site. ←Hob 15:36, 2005 May 22 (UTC)
- By that logic, we should be deleting Gary Larson and other "real" comic artists who are only (popularly) known for one major comic work. -- Cyrius|✎ 17:23, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh come on now. I didn't say bios for single-title artists are out of the question; I just said they're not mandatory, as Leithp's reasoning implied. Gary Larson is unquestionably famous, and other people have written about him; we aren't just summarizing information from his website. ←Hob 00:16, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
- I hope you understand how I was able to interpret your statement as meaning what I thought it meant instead of what you intended it to mean. -- Cyrius|✎ 04:29, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- My point was more that, since we have established that this guy created a notable comic, he himself is notable by definition. His page provides a place for biographical information that has no place on the page about the actual webcomic. What's the harm in keeping it?Leithp 07:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I hope you understand how I was able to interpret your statement as meaning what I thought it meant instead of what you intended it to mean. -- Cyrius|✎ 04:29, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh come on now. I didn't say bios for single-title artists are out of the question; I just said they're not mandatory, as Leithp's reasoning implied. Gary Larson is unquestionably famous, and other people have written about him; we aren't just summarizing information from his website. ←Hob 00:16, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
- By that logic, we should be deleting Gary Larson and other "real" comic artists who are only (popularly) known for one major comic work. -- Cyrius|✎ 17:23, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- By that logic, we should have a bio page for every webcomic artist. Look, the guy has done one comic strip, and if we merge the articles, then you will still be able to find the info by searching for his name. Although I can't think why you would need to do that, since there is an even more detailed bio page on the Schlock Mercenary website. You might "expect" to find separate articles for all kinds of things but that doesn't mean we create them. And I'm pretty sure this fails the verifiability test: as far as I know, except for his co-authorship of a software book, there is no source for any of this information except the bio page on Tayler's own site. ←Hob 15:36, 2005 May 22 (UTC)
- Why? Were I interested in this webcomic I might look up Wikipedia for biographical information on the creator. I would expect to find it on a seperate page to Schlock Mercenary. I agree that the article as it stands leaves a lot to be desired, but that's not a reason for deletion. Leithp 10:01, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge but some of this is really vanity and can be tossed overboard - I mean, even for notable artists, since when do we note their previous day job in such detail ("Collaboration Product Line Manager at Novell, Inc.")? Also, it's true that the webcomic article is very lengthy, but that by itself shouldn't be an excuse for multiplying articles—otherwise fancruft would reproduce itself infinitely. ←Hob 00:28, 2005 May 22 (UTC)
- His employment at Novell is noted because he was quite good at it. He co-authored a book on GroupWise, even. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:53, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, I see you just added that piece of background information, which makes it a little less of a random piece of trivia. Still - most cartoonists have day jobs, many of them are good at their jobs; we don't list them all... we certainly don't provide month-by-month updates about them ("recently as of January 2005")...←Hob 06:53, 2005 May 22 (UTC)
- Leaving your day job because your silly artistic venture is making enough money to support your family is a major event in a person's life, and should be noted in any biography. -- Cyrius|✎ 17:23, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, if a biography is appropriate in the first place. OK, I've said enough. ←Hob 00:16, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
- Leaving your day job because your silly artistic venture is making enough money to support your family is a major event in a person's life, and should be noted in any biography. -- Cyrius|✎ 17:23, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, I see you just added that piece of background information, which makes it a little less of a random piece of trivia. Still - most cartoonists have day jobs, many of them are good at their jobs; we don't list them all... we certainly don't provide month-by-month updates about them ("recently as of January 2005")...←Hob 06:53, 2005 May 22 (UTC)
- His employment at Novell is noted because he was quite good at it. He co-authored a book on GroupWise, even. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:53, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Schlock Mercenary. Nothing notable outside of a webcomic. Megan1967 03:58, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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