Talk:Glassjaw

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I want to point out to you guys that this article appears to reflect a bias in favor of the band. I've found other articles on underground or indie bands that do the same thing. Even when I know the band and they are as great and exciting as the piece makes them out, it's annoying, it's not the kind of writing that should be allowed to stand as a reference. Beginning with the phrase like "legendary producer Ross Robinson," this Glassjaw thing reads like a press release. Someone who cares should go through other indie bands' articles to make sure they arent just puff pieces. There are a lot that just go through listing all of the band's recent EPs in a way clearly designed more as an advertisement than pure information.

• I agree with you but I might wait for another opinion before changing the text. Pedro.Moreira 01:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree as well, love the band but it truly does read like a magazine article rather than a non biased description of the band. I think the references to them being...referred...to as 'god' and 'kings' or whatever should be scrapped even if it is verifiable, it simply has no place in an article like this. Ali Hasnain 23rd January 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.114.168.125 (talk) 08:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Demos Link

I think they should not be there because there's no reason for it other than pure marketing. The guy editing those links is the owner of that site (I'm the owner of one of the others). It might be useful to write some info about those demos even though they are old demos and nothing really new besides some rough tracks. He also changed the article about Head Automatica the same way. Pedro.Moreira 13:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Bias

I see no bias. Legendary is correct, considering he is largely responsible for most of the nu-metal movement, which definately changed the course of music (good or bad depending on your point of view) which eventually would lead to the death of testosterone charged radio rock.

The reason I found this article on wikipedia was because nobody else (all music or amazon) didn't even list the El Mark Ep as a release, so i'm glad there is such detail given to such things.

• As I said before, I don't agree with you. About the El Mark EP, this is a tricky one. The EP was only sold on iTunes and Yahoo Music and has only one new song in it since the other two where already released on other singles. So, for me, it shouldn't be on their discography (but there should be a note on their history about it). Anyway, please sign your posts. Pedro.Moreira 16:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

several bands discographies include digital only release as they are becoming more common.68.255.172.238 00:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• "Legendary" is just too POV. "Successful" or even "influential" would have been better. Chris 18:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

YEAH I SEE NO BIAS, IT'S ONLY THE GREATEST ROCK BAND EVER. Also can we also state ethnicity of these people, I need to know if they're African-American or not.

Present?

I noticed that the artist infobox says 199?-present. Is it really accurate to say that they're still a band? Seegoon 19:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

• I just checked their homepage - they are still together. Ignore me. Seegoon 00:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Todd Weinstock/Old Demos

Uhm, just wanted to point out that Todd was not in fact with the band at the conception. I don't know where the websites went that had all the old information (for instance, the impossible shot demo, the original kiss kiss bang bang ep, etc.), but if I recall from memory, Beck played drums during the first demos (they were something like 14 or 15), and todd only joined for the EYEWTKAS disc. They also had a drummer named Durijh or something who was replaced by Sammy (on account of Ross Robinson not liking him), and later by Larry.

I'll have to scout around to get my facts straight, but not only is this wikipedia article wrong, but the old site i used to frequent a few years ago is using this article as its source, which is, again, wrong.

also, besides impossible shot, this is missing the "Monster Zero" (1998 demo) and "Don Fury" (1998 lp) demos.

edit in! I found an archived link to the site. http://web.archive.org/web/20040414205337/glassjaw.net/discography.php

if there's no complaints, and since i'm sort of new to this site, i would like to edit in the missing demo's/band history.

I also hope that my edits help to improve the page.

hardcore or screamo?

i thought that glassjaw is an emo, screamo band, not hardcore..? i were told of glassjaw as one of creamo bands when i heard emo music first time..

The difference between the two is very blurry. There's elements of both - best thing probably would to say a screamo band with a healthy dollop of hardcore. Or perhaps give them their own genre! Call it Glasscore... But of course not for official purpose ;). 86.0.232.60 17:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Melodic hardcore/metal. Definitely not emo or screamo. Chris 18:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

They're actually way closer to emotive hardcore/screamo than they are to melodic metal.

Agreed with the above. They're certainly not melodic metal. I would suggest post-hardcore is the best description, as it is a fairly broad, catch-all term. They definitely do have emo influences/elements in their style, and when they were first popular in the late 90s/early 2000's I'm pretty sure I do remember them being described as emo/emocore. Though its hard to remember when all these terms came about. The problem is everything has become so saturated with the term 'emo' and 'screamo' and these terms are becoming so unfashionable that people don't want themselves or their favourite bands to be associated with anything 'emo' anymore. I'd be quite happy for some kind of emo related genre to be used, but I think some people would object. Personally I think it is silly to try and deny their obvious emo influences/stylings. 80.195.246.3 (talk) 22:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Glassjaw are not screamo. Glassjaw have never been screamo. Screamo refers to a different style of music-with-screaming entirely. Glassjaw are much closer to hardcore (early demos and EPs) and post-hardcore (EYETKAS; W&T), but they're quite difficult to define. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Halfknees (talk • contribs) 16:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Band History?

___ CORRECTION TO BAND HISTORY :

Sons of Abraham did not exist in 1993 and XbustedX was a theoretical band that may have playe donce or twice, but i believe was more likely like a fantasy band where one guy from this band would hopefulyy get together with thi sone and that one and theyd call it XbustedX... Long Island was full of all these non-sense crisscross bands that never happened but were fun to assemble in theory...

Beck assembled Sons of Abraham in 1997 with Kneel Rubenstein , a staple front man in Long island, screamo, hardcore, whatever... He then recruited Todd to play co-guitar in Sons because he wanted as many Jews in the band kicking ass as possible... THEN, Beck brought Todd into Glassjaw... I believe ETYEWTKAS is Todds first recording with the band, but it may have also been on the demos that Don Fury (producer of Quicksand, CIV) did for the band with the intention of shopping them and signing them... Anyway, it is not like Todd just came on board to record Evereything...About Silence. He had been in Glassjaw for a year or two already.

um.. this stuff about SofA and XbX true? if anyone asserts it's true, can they verify it?68.255.172.238 00:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Roadrunner Records hard feelings?

[[1]] This is a link to a video from the Glassjaw fan site. In it Justin Beck mentions his feelings about Roadrunner Records. "Seriously, don't ever support anything from Roadrunner, they suck!" He is really sarcastic throughout the interview so I am not exactly sure how to react, but if he is serious, I think it would make a good edit to the article. If someone else could check it out I would be able to sleep easier. Lincoln Kauffman

Nah he's serious. When Glassjaw was on tour, Daryl started having breakdowns from his disease and he needed to go home and they wouldn't let him off tour.

does anyone wnat to comment on the fact that daryl was on the roadrunnner 25th anniversary album?? just wondering why he would agree to that if his feelings are so strong about roadrunner. Ali Hasnain. 3:17 AM, 23 January 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.114.168.125 (talk) 02:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Who knows why Daryl did that, there's a recording of them at the Downtown where he says they're dicks and asks the audience never to buy their first album so that Roadrunner don't get money for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Halfknees (talk • contribs) 19:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

"Ape Dos Mil" video director

If anyone can find out who did this, you'll complete me. Seegoon 20:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Article re-structured as of Nov 06

The article has been re-structured as of late November 2006.

glassJAw?

I'm just curious about the bandname being typeset like that in the article, using a lowercase G and capitalised J and A. It seems wrong. On Worship and Tribute, there's no evidence of it being shown like that as far as I can see. And on EYEWTKAS, the J and A are bigger than the rest of the text but it's all in caps. Seegoon 00:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'm pretty sure the capitalized JA was just a typeface thing, I don't know how it became the accepted way of writing the band name.

It's a lot like the "KoRn" thing. It's so tedious to see approximations of aesthetic decisions worked into the titles of wiki articles. The band's name is Glassjaw, grow up. Chris 18:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• they list themselves as glassJAw on thier myspace. so yeah its glassJAw. 172.200.143.47 09:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Jered Crosky

I do not believe that there is a recording that exists by the name of 'Jered Crosky', it seems to keep appearing on this profile, and I keep removing it, so if you want me to stop removing it please cite a reference to the existence of that recording.

Neutral Rock?

i have no idea what "Neutral Rock" is but it's definitly nothing to do with glasjaw. glassjaw are most commonly cited as a Post-Hardcore group(look in any Kerrang!,NME,Rocksound whatever magazine you want). Not only that but they are known as a key influence in this genre. There is no debate. Glassjaw are post-hardcore STOP CHANING IT TO NEUTRAL ROCK. Thanks for reading 172.143.242.75 13:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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Afrobeat?

Seriously, it this a joke? Or am I missing something fundamental about this band? Arkyopterix (talk) 17:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The Genre thing is getting stupid. I think we should only include genre's with a citation to a reputable source which has described them as such. Otherwise it's all based on personal opinion. With a quick search I have found this ciation for Post-Hardcore - http://www2.kerrang.com/2007/06/glassjaw_announce_headline_sho.html and these citations for Emo - http://www.nme.com/reviews/glassjaw/6729 http://www.nme.com/news/glassjaw/1406080.195.246.3 (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Further to my last comment, I have gone ahead and made the changes. The genres are now listed as post-Hardcore and Emo with citations.80.195.246.3 (talk) 16:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Would user 189.24.13.108 like to go ahead and discuss why they have delted my edits, which had proper citations and changed the genres to Hardcore and Afrobeat with no citations? I'm going to revert the changes for now. If you can come up with a refernce for Hardcore I don't really have a problem with that being included. I don't think you will find a reference for Afrobeat though! Please don't delete Post-hardcore and Emo again without giving a reason. Thanks!80.195.246.3 (talk) 15:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, unimaginative fanboys are changing it to Afrobeat because Glassjaw's MySpace ironically lists it. People take things like this far too literally. IT'S A FUCKING JOKE, GUYS! It's not truly fitting to the tone of an encyclopedia, now, is it? Seegoon (talk) 18:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

In the own myspace says that the sound is a mixture of hardcore and afrobeat. If the band says I put here. mrbelial (talk) 14:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you honestly think they're serious when they do that? Seegoon (talk) 01:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Not, but the truth would put what they say they are, as a dictionary, there is always the explanation that was chosen by the person or people who created the word. Glassjaw is alternative hardcore, go to the albums of them and see the difference in styles, leave alternative hardcore, I think will be the most correct in this case. mrbelial (talk) 23:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Emo?

It is not simply that puts the sites of music say about the band, We must see that the sound of the band is alternative in the albums, Play hardcore in general. mrbelial (talk) 14:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Mrbelial, one of Wikipedia's core policies is Wikipedia:Verifiability, which notes that this encyclopedia is concerned with "verifiability, not truth". If other users have found valid citations to reliable sources—Kerrang! for "post-hardcore"; NME for "emo"—then you must allow these citations to stand unless you provide valid citations to reliable sources of your own. You cannot remove them simply because you think NME and Kerrang! are wrong. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

This is absurd! Do not put your thinking convincing, there is a certain! mrbelial (talk) 15:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for removing the personal attack. Please explain what you think is absurd. Wikipedia's policy about verifiability? The descriptions of Glassjaw's music that these music journals have written? My request that you provide sources to back up your claims? All of the above? --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Magazines, newspapers, just say shit, I go by what band says. mrbelial (talk) 23:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Your position is not unreasonable; I wish you would be a little more polite in stating it, though. Wikipedia policy says (WP:SELFPUB) that we can source what the band says as long as it is not overly self-serving or contentious. What has the band said, and is it reliable? Someone in the above discussion said the band was writing ironically when it listed its genres. When I go to their MySpace page today, nothing is listed. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

"Hardcore / Afro-beat", you see it in the above page in the myspace. mrbelial (talk) 12:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I just checked their MySpace page. It does not say that now. Also, someone in the above discussion noted that the band was writing ironically when it listed its genres. I think we need appropriate sources here, as per WP:Verifiability. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I notice mrbelial has now created a new wikipedia article for 'Alternative Hardcore' with absolutely no references. This genre does not exist as far as wikipedia should be concerned in that the term has never been used by any reputable sources as far as I am aware. In fact I have never heard the term used by anyone before now. I agree with Paul Erik, appropriate sources are required as to Glassjaw's genre and referenced genres should not be deleted. Ie. 'Post-hardcore' and 'Emo' should be re-instated.80.195.246.3 (talk) 17:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think WP:V is clear about this and I have restored the references here that another editor had found. Mrbelial, if you think what these magazines are writing is "shit", then your dispute is with those magazines. Wikipedia relies on such sources for its information. If you wish to add to the genres, please respect Wikipedia policy and cite sources. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

So I still don't think we've settled this issue. Currently Psychedelic rock is listed as a genre. Glassjaw are not Psychedelic rock, not by any definition of that genre. As has been said before genres should only be included with references. I think we should leave it at Post-hardcore. I did also find references for Emo which was also previously included and I would still argue that Emo should be up there but it is obvious some people have a problem with that. Im going to delete Psychedelic rock and leave only Post-hardcore for now. If anyone else wants to add further genres please find a reference from a reputable source. Otherwise don't include it. Please also leave an edit summary and discuss changes on the talk page. Thanks80.195.246.3 (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you, and I also think that emo should be there, seeing as it was well referenced. Sometimes it seems to me that some people think there are negative connotations to emo that I'm just not understanding. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Psychedelic rock was already in genres of glassjaw, I only replacing what was already. mrbelial (talk) 01:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for providing a reference for "progressive hardcore". Why have you removed "emo", which was well referenced? --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Forums aren't reliable sources.Inhumer (talk) 01:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Song Meanings

That would be good, although it'd be difficult to get a consensus on song meanings. It'd have to include only what the band themselves have said or things which are utterly obvious - speculation can be included, but only if it's listed as such. I'd be happy to make a start on it when I have some time. - Halfknees

Genres

This isn't about what genre they are or aren't, this is about the number of genres being added. Over the last 2+ years, I've noticed editors(mostly anons) adding 6 or 8 genres at a time. Its unnecessary. It should be kept at a maximum of 4. Inhumer (talk) 18:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

• Alright, I've found reliable sources for post-hardcore, metalcore, and prog rock. If you can find soruces for others, don't be afraid to add them.Inhumer (talk) 19:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Year formed

There is no source saying they were formed in 1993. Are you absolutely sure? Because that would mean their singer was 14 when the band formed. • GunMetal Angel 21:20, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

According to Garry Sharpe-Young's New Wave of American Heavy Metal, Glassjaw's first demo was recorded in 1994 (no formation date was given), but a New York Times article from 2003 confirms that the band formed when Palumbo and Beck met at a summer camp in 1993. Palumbo said in the same article that he formed the band when he was 13, and in articles I read while writing Our Color Green (The Singles) (I don't recall which ones), I learned that Glassjaw frequently uses the number 93 in their merchandise representing the year they formed. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:00, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation vote

I'm interested to know how many people are here in reference to something other than this band, (of which I had never heard.) I was looking for information about the boxing term. If you are also not interested in this band, please add your voice to this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.18.167.82 (talk) 11:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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