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  • Just putting a notice here that the image of oracle bone script used in the Chinese characters DYK is not the one used in the article itself. I think each are a better fit for their respective position, and the one in the article has actually been on the Main Page before. Since they serve the same function, I hope this is okay with everyone. If it's a problem, please feel free to replace the image in the article with the one in the DYK. Thanks! Remsense诉 00:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is DYKCRITERIA that the image used must be in the article WP:DYKIMG. Bruxton (talk) 00:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I'm posting this—I hate to invoke this, but this seems like a potential WP:IAR case, as I think it's the best presentation. Would you like me to swap out the image in the article for today, then? Remsense诉 00:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that shouldn't have happened. I've replaced it with the infobox image. RoySmith (talk) 00:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith I put the DYK image in the article for the time being. Can you please revert? Remsense诉 00:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you mean by "in the article for today". RoySmith (talk) 01:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The image for the hook is now in the article. Remsense诉 01:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but what I'm getting at is, when you say things like "I put the DYK image in the article for the time being", that sounds like, "and as soon as its off the main page, I'm going to change it again". Am I interpreting that correctly? RoySmith (talk) 01:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I'm going to do, because it's not the best image for the article: it's too tall. Remsense诉 01:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's what I figured. Nah, I'm not going to play that game, sorry. RoySmith (talk) 01:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry that I've come off like I'm trying to game something; I just wanted to weave an ideal outcome from an initial mistake that I made. I know you're not going to do this either, but I would genuinely prefer my hook be removed from the front page if the image can't be changed. Remsense诉 01:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pulling a hook is a bit of work. Pulling the lead hook with the image is a lot of work, and introduces substantial risk on its own because unlike other hooks, it has to be replaced (as opposed to just running with one less hook for the rest of the day) and replaced immediately, so we'd need to review a new hook and image as a rush job. There's got to be something seriously wrong to justify that. I don't know where things went off the rails (did we make a mistake reviewing it, or did the article change after the review was completed?) but at this point, it's all about risk management, not worrying about whether this is the optimal image. RoySmith (talk) 01:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I made a mistake picking an image that wasn't in the article. It was missed, but it's my fault for only bringing it up now. This was all my best attempt to fix that in the best way for both the article and the main page. Remsense诉 01:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith I've already bothered you enough, but can I get a quick confirmation that the image won't be changed, so I can put the other oracle bone photo in the article? Sorry. Remsense诉 01:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If some other admin wants to do this, that's their prerogative, but I've done what I needed to do to fix the immediate problem so, no, I'm not making any more changes. RoySmith (talk) 01:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: why did you not permit IAR here? Levivich (talk) 02:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Not done The image on the main page matches the article image. All is good; no error is present. Schwede66 01:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would strongly prefer the original image, but I've already created too much trouble for people. Remsense诉 01:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If an admin decides to put the original image back, please also restore this revision of the page. I don't want to have the worse version of both the article and the main page stuck there the entire day. Remsense诉 02:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Yerevan jokes

... that the Armenian Radio jokes are neither about radio nor are they Armenian?

What the article actually says is "They are not really related to Armenian culture, nor do they have much in common with radio specifically." This uses the weasels "not really" and "much" and so this is not a definite fact as required by WP:DYKHOOK. Having read the article, the hook might equally be turned about and presented in the opposite way:

... that Radio Yerevan jokes are presented in the style of provincial radio and Armenian stereotypes are often the butt of the joke?

Note also that the title of the article is plural contrary to WP:PLURAL. See Joke, Ethnic joke, Hindu joke, Polish joke, riddle joke, etc.

Andrew🐉(talk) 06:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, so, WP:WEASEL doesn't mention what you're talking about here. It's a guideline about attribution. Also, reading the source reveals exactly what we mean: they have nothing to do with radio, and were popular among Russians, who were using Armenian riddles as a punching bag source of inspiration. So, they were neither about radio nor Armenian. Perhaps, if you're interested in correcting errors, you could help out by updating the article. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy pings to @Szmenderowiecki, Piotrus, and AirshipJungleman29. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
theleekycauldron, Andrew Davidson, the original says this:
This last genre [Armenian Radio joke] may be confusing for an outsider. These jokes have nothing to do with radio, which in Soviet times was as severely censored as any other means of mass communication. They are also not really Armenian.
So I reflected exactly what Draitser was saying: not about radio, not really Armenian.
As for WP:PLURAL, I wasn't exactly aware about this, so maybe yeah, I can change it to singular, though it's weird to my ear as a native Russian speaker. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the other suggested hook is a non-starter, nobody will click on it and besides it's false. Armenian Radio is not presented in a provincial radio style, and it hardly ever imitates it - they do pretend we have a radio studio but that's kind of a plot device. It can imitate Armenian stereotypes, but that's a different thing and it really only was done because the radio is Armenian and not, say, Kazakh. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IBM Advanced Computer Systems project

... that although it was never built, Lynn Conway notes that IBM's ACS-1 would have been the premier supercomputer of the era?

"Would have been" is a counter-factual weasel and so this is not a definite fact as required by WP:DYKHOOK. Conway was part of the project and so is not independent. And it's easy to make grandiose claims for projects that were not completed. And what does "premier supercomputer of the era" actually mean? An era suggests a long period but computer technology has advanced rapidly per Moore's law which has a doubling every two years. Even if it had been completed, it would soon have been overtaken by newer models. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy pings to @Maury Markowitz, SL93, AirshipJungleman29, and Amakuru. I also have no idea what "premier" means and don't think such a claim from someone within the project is admissible. pulled as a non-viable hook. If someone wants to come up with and verify another one before this set cycles, they're welcome to, but the article needs to be cleaned up to void the same claim. Or, if it turns out there's no error, we can restore it, but that seems unlikely to me at this time. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we do not do it "before this set cycles", what happens then? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Applying the faint hope clause: "... Lynn Conway produced a simulator for IBM's ACS-1 that was used to develop out-of-order execution?
Lynn passed only days ago, it would be a shame to not mark this event with some mention of her earliest work. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: still out there? Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atavista

... that "Human Sacrifice", a track on the 2024 album Atavista, could be heard in a 2019 Google Pixel advertisement?

A popular artist getting a sync placement in an advertisement does not seem interesting. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 15:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging AirshipJungleman29 and JayceFey ꧁Zanahary꧂ 15:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A song being used in an ad five years before it was released feels interesting to me. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You’re right, missed that. Maybe it could be rewritten to emphasize that, though? If I’m stupid enough to miss it, maybe others will be too. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 15:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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header broken in monobook

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 – Primary issue resolved, minor tweaks may be possible still. — xaosflux Talk 19:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T363597
2024-05-23 problems

Haven't been able to check this yet, possible WP:THURSDAY issue? In monobook, the page layout is broken now, see example - with the "welcome to wikipedia" being moved, a "," on a line by itself, bad font/size as well. — xaosflux Talk 09:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Izno: just in case you are working on this via Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css. — xaosflux Talk 09:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the comma break by moving the comma in to the h1 element; not seeing that causing breaks on vector or vector22. The h1 styling here seem to be the primary problem now. — xaosflux Talk 09:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be styles associated with the mw-heading1 div around that h1.. — xaosflux Talk 10:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm seeing the same issue - it looks very ugly. Thanks for looking into this! Modest Genius talk 11:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The gap between Welcome to Wikipedia and "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." is too big on Monobook. The line at the top cuts off the bottom of the P. I suggest you do "Welcome to" in smaller letters at the top and then just Wikipedia in large. "Welcome" looks a bit silly being that big.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Getting these reset may be enough:
body.page-Main_Page #mw-heading1
border-bottom: none;
margin-bottom: none;
font-size: 100%;
— xaosflux Talk 12:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Doing... font size fix first, waiting for sync. — xaosflux Talk 12:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done font size fixed in MediaWiki:Monobook.css; margin/border to do. — xaosflux Talk 12:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Doing... border/margin - waiting for sync. — xaosflux Talk 13:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I'm not sure I love these CSS hacks though. Suggestions for improvement (here or upstream) are more than welcome. — xaosflux Talk 13:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically I'm not liking that the parser is building the ID from the content and including "," in the element id now. (That is the one thing that will affect all skins). — xaosflux Talk 13:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Xaosflux Fixing this in Monobook.css was not appropriate (fixing it in WP:Main Page/styles.css is sufficient), nor was I believe moving the comma necessary. The relevant change is phab:T363597. It will be coming to the other skins Soon so we will need to fix it for all skins. Please remove the Monobook.css styles and revert your main page change so we can fix this correctly. Monobook being broken for a day or two is not a reason to... hack. Izno (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Izno looks like phab:T363597 is going to be 2 weeks out? Do you have a fix for /styles.css ready to go, in which case certainly we can pull this out of monobook.css. Also, do you know what the "breaking" change # is for reference? — xaosflux Talk 17:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not have such a change. I'm not going to work on it until you revert yourself. It's a pain to sort things out when you're starting from the wrong state. Izno (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And no, it is definitely live in Monobook. Izno (talk) 17:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Izno OK, I've restored the broken version - we certainly shouldn't leave this broken for weeks though. — xaosflux Talk 17:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will take care of it today. :) Izno (talk) 17:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Semantically, not sure about that comma - it is floating between the header and the end of a div that encompasses the header - certainly not a big deal other than the header handling breaking it there. — xaosflux Talk 17:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is fixed. Padding/margin between the top of the box and the welcome line looks off so that needs some investigation. I'll take a look later to see if that's just my imagination.
The comma is outside for the same reason you felt gross about it being on the inside earlier, except it matters for screen readers. IDK how the comma inside would even sound but it would probably be awkward. Izno (talk) 17:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I got here from T363597 – looks like this was resolved in this edit: [1]. Thanks for fixing it. Matma Rex talk 18:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lets redesign the home page!

Recently, with the new GUI update, I reccomend we should update the Main page to suit this! Snipertron12 [|User|Talk|Cont|] 09:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Snipertron12 this was more of a bug rather than an update, see WP:VPT#Thursday 13 June style changes. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since it's not clear which of the recent GUI updates you're talking about, see also Talk:Main Page/Archive 207#Dark mode is coming! – the previous discussion related to mw:Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
is it me or does the infobox now looks like the mobile version infobox of the website? Abo Yemen✉ 16:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Abo Yemen, if you're interested in details about these changes, please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Thursday 13 June style changes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 17:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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