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Relationship to Beethoven's Symphony no. 4[edit]

Today while rehearsing with one of the orchestras I play in, the conductor mentioned that Mahler was inspired by the opening to Beethoven 4 and that it was his starting point for his first symphony. Now that it has been pointed out to me, it seems terribly obvious and certainly appears to have some truth to it, but "my professor said..." is not exactly a verifiable source. I think it would be great for this article if someone could help me dig up a real source for this and include it in the article somehow. Sara needs a nap (talk) 01:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to remember reading an article in some sort of 'Mahler Studies' volume in which someone (de la Grange?) includes the Beethoven opening among a whole collection of resemblances and relations: if my memory is correct, and someone can remember what the book is, you would have your source. Even so, however, it would still be inadmissible to say that the relationship made the Beethoven work 'Mahler's starting point for his symphony': such a way of speaking goes beyond the facts. Pfistermeister (talk) 04:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow, because of the pitch level perhaps, and the prominent descending fourths, my thoughts were rather with Beethoven's Ninth; but that needs a source just as badly. Double sharp (talk) 10:49, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Mahler gave the piece the title Titan after the novel by Jean Paul"[edit]

this seems to be the consensus, but Floros ("Gustav Mahler: The Symphonies", as translated) maintains that while the symphony does have strong programmatic elements- he maintains it is likely about Faust- he takes Mahler's statements, especially his later statements, on the subject of this symphony and Jean-Paul to strongly suggest that the word was chosen with its usual meaning of titanic, huge, colossal, not because it was the title of Jean-Paul's novel. Schissel | Sound the Note! 23:44, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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new audio sample[edit]

second movement (excerpt)

We now have a new audio sample available – should we use it instead of the virtual ones? --Gnom (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]