Talk:The Cretan Gendarmerie in liberated Thessaloniki

Newcomer - please provide sources that are not in Greek. Or at least reference pages from THE STORY OF THE SALONICA ARMY. I would certainly like to know more about this subject, but clearly you are unable to write about factual events, and are more inclined to write fiction in a Tolkien-like world of black and white. It is ludicrous to assume that any serious student of history would believe the veracity of your article, and your effort to introduce the history of the Cretan Gendarme fails completely to tell us who these people actually were, and why indeed they deserve any mention in the first place.

The present article does not live up to elementary standards of NPOV and factual accuracy and is enacted as a two-dimensional TV-soap in which there are the "good" Greeks and the "bad" Bulgarians. The facts are bent so as to serve the purpose of the article, no word has been said, for example, about the internment of the 7,000 Bulgarian soldiers on the Aegean islands and their subsequent death of starvation. Or about the tension between Greeks and Jews as the Jews were scarcely happy about being occupied by the Greek army. What's more, the article speaks only marginally of this "Cretan gendarmerie", only inasmuch as these gendarmes have to be portrayed as the good and noble ones as opposed to the "evil Bulgarians", I think that the article should be proposed for deletion. VMORO 10:23, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

I understand that you do not agree with the content of the article. You also probably hear some things for the first time in your life and you "fall from the clouds", I also hear fo the first time about the death of the 7000 Bulgarian soldiers you mention. Incorporate it in the article.

But you should not forget that the whole article is written from European newspapers of the era. It was the French and British journalists who wrote about these incidents. The journalists who wrote that the muslim population was trying to evade the Bulgarian army were French. Not Greeks. I would be glad to discuss any point you think is not objective and delete any untrue piece of information. Can you suggest some to discuss it? If you have other sources (German maybe) suggest them.

Note also that I tried to avoid writing about the atrocities commited by the Bulgarian army (mostly the irregulars) during its advance as well as during its withdraw from Eastern Macedonia. Newcomer 21:41, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

May be you should try to read the report of the Carnegie commission (there is a link after Macedonians), I certainly know what I am talking about. All countries in the Balkan coalition conducted atrocities against the Muslim population of Macedonia, including the Greeks. But that's not what I am talking about - your article does not live up to the standards of NPOV but it also falls short of elementary ethics. So much bitter xenophobia and hatred of the Bulgarians - it makes me wonder what kind of environment you've grown up in. My grandparents were chased out of Kukush in 1913 by the Greek army but I have not initiated a writing crusade against the Greeks and the Greek army, have I? VMORO22:30, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

I do NOT hate anyone I assure you. My article is based TOTALLY on contemporary reports of neutral journalists. I REPEAT I would be glad to discuss any point you think is not objective and delete any untrue piece of information. Can you suggest some to discuss it? If you have other sources (German maybe) suggest them. BUT LET'S STAY TO THE FACTS. History is only the facts and we do not have the right to beautify them. None of us. There is not "political correct" in History but only the truth.Newcomer 23:14, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)