Talk:Self-driving car

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Terminology and communication offense[edit]

In answer to #No mentioning of the Tesla system. It has Full Self Driving in beta.: If I understand the terminology and communication offense defined / being defined in the bill to regulate the use of automated vehicles on roads and in other public places; and to make other provision in relation to vehicle automation, when you say "Tesla autopilot is clearly not a self-driving car" while topic is "Tesla system (...) has Full Self Driving in beta",

if "self-driving" is a restricted term (who knows?) can someone ask:

  • (a) does (Wikipedia) permits the use of, a (self-driving) restricted term in connection with the promotion or supply of a (Tesla) road vehicle?
  • (b) is (Wikipedia) acting in the course of business?
  • (c) is the use of the (self-driving) restricted term directed at an end-user or potential end-user of the vehicle?
  • (d) is it reasonable to anticipate that the use of the (self-driving) term will come to the attention of an end-user or potential end-user of the vehicle in Great Britain?
  • (e) is the (Tesla) vehicle an appropriate (self-driving) vehicle?

else, for the purpose of communications likely to confuse as to autonomous capability, can someone ask:

  • (a) does (Wikipedia) permits the making of, a communication in connection with the promotion or supply of any product or service?
  • (b) is (Wikipedia) acting in the course of business?
  • (c) is (Wikipedia) communication directed at an end-user or potential end-user of a road vehicle?
  • (d) it is reasonable to anticipate that the (self-driving) communication will come to the attention of an end-user or potential end-user of a road vehicle in Great Britain?
  • (e) would the communication be likely to confuse end-users of road vehicles in Great Britain as to whether a vehicle that is not an authorized automated vehicle is capable of traveling autonomously, safely and legally on roads or other public places in Great Britain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.193.104.36 (talk) 21:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Technology, Testing and Incidents[edit]

This looks like a patchwork.

I believe the Self-driving_car#Technology section is too much detailed. Might the details be moved into self-driving car technology or self-driving vehicle technology?

I believe the Self-driving_car#Testing and Self-driving_car#Incidents sections are too much detailed. Might the details be moved into History of self-driving cars? 77.193.104.36 (talk) 21:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Auto car" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect Auto car has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 23 § Auto car until a consensus is reached. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - FA23 - Sect 201 - Thu[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 September 2023 and 14 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Leozgzzz (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Leozgzzz (talk) 18:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Endangerment" versus "negligent homicide"[edit]

This article says "...Vasquez pled guilty to negligent homicide."

Possibly this one https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12350585/Backup-Uber-driver-death-fully-autonomous-car-pleads-guilty-endangerment-49-year-old-sentenced-supervision-five-years-Volvo-struck-pedestrian-49-Phoenix-suburb.html clarifies somewhat, as it says

  • "was charged with negligent homicide in 2020, pleaded guilty to endangerment"

and also

  • "Vasquez had been charged with negligent homicide, a felony. She pleaded guilty to an undesignated felony, meaning it could be reclassified as a misdemeanor if she completes probation."

None of these sources says what it says in the article. I am not very conversant with US legal matters, so I might get it wrong if I try to make a correction myself. FrankSier (talk) 14:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image replacement request[edit]

Hello! On behalf of Waymo, and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I would like to submit an edit request to replace an image in the Self-driving car Wikipedia article.

Currently, the following 2017 photograph is used in the lead: File:Waymo Chrysler Pacifica in Los Altos, 2017.jpg. However, the vehicle shown in the article is no longer in service by Waymo.

I propose replacing the image with File:Waymo Jaguar I-Pace in San Francisco 2023 dllu.jpg, which is a more recent (2023) Quality image that shows a vehicle currently used by Waymo.

Here's a specific markup change:

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[[File:Waymo Chrysler Pacifica in Los Altos, 2017.jpg|thumb|[[Waymo]] undergoing testing in the San Francisco Bay Area]]
+
[[File:Waymo Jaguar I-Pace in San Francisco 2023 dllu.jpg|thumb|A [[Waymo]]-operated [[Jaguar I-Pace]] in San Francisco, 2023]]

I invite editors to update the article on my behalf. @InfiniteNexus: I am putting this request on your radar, since you've helped with a few Waymo edit requests in the past. Also notifying User:Dllu, who took the newer photograph. Thanks for your consideration! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that sounds good. I took both the new and old photos haha... dllu (t,c) 01:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, both! Inkian Jason (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethical Dilemma of Self-Driving cars.[edit]

I suggest adding the following two citations to the the Self-Driving car topic.

  1. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10676-021-09605-y This article reports a survey of a representative sample of US consumers about the importance they place on "Solving the Ethical dilemma - whether to save passengers or pedestrians - of self-driving cars" The article reports that people place the HIGHEST importance to the ability to solve this issue among all other issues pertaining to self-driving cars. This seems relevant article to cite under the section of "Challenges"
  2. https://doi.org/10.1093/jcr/ucaa018 This article reports that people chose self-protection over protection of pedestrians more often with a self-driving car rather than a conventional car. This article is relevant under the section of "Trolley Dilemmas".

Kindly please add these 2 citations if you deem them appropriate and relevant to this topic. Both these articles are written by me using primary research from my lab. Due to conflict of interest I cannot insert them in the topic myself, as that is not appropriate. Hope this is fine. Please let me know of any queries about the same. Thank you. Tripgill24 (talk) 21:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should not add citations just to add citations - the content you tried to cite already has sufficient citations. What is new with these cites? How could we use them to grow the article? MrOllie (talk) 21:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply. I agree that we should not add citations just for the sake of adding them, especially if they are my own work (a conflict of interest).
But I humbly suggest that under the "Trolley Problem" of self-driving cars there has been a widespread debate about whether these problems are important to study at all or are they just a waste of time and resources for car manufacturers to even try to solve them. For instance, the following article clearly states that these dilemmas are a waste of time: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691620922201
However, challenging this view is this article that specifically survey a representative sample of US consumers about how important is that self-driving cars solve this dilemma or trolley problem. This research found that it is considered the most important issue to solve by potential adopters of such cars, more important than all other issued examined. See this article here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10676-021-09605-y
I think these two article add a very interesting dimension to the relevance of the trolley problem in the context of self-driving cars. This has been a widely discussed and debated issue - both in academic circles and conventional media. This discussion will add more context and relevance to the trolley problem in the context of self-driving cars.
Not sure if answers your query. But please feel free to decide as appropriate.
Thanks for your time and attention. Tripgill24 (talk) 21:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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