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Rosen vs. Napster[edit]

I think the role Rosen played in ~~declaring war on the internet for the benefit of capitalist middle-men~~ working to shut down Napster needs to have a far more prominent role in the article introduction. Given the significance of the internet on the world level now and the pioneering role that Napster played on the internet (I think at the time it had over 20 million users), if Rosen dropped dead tomorrow, that would be her most notable life "achievement". The LGBTFGHIJKLMNO promotion stuff, while yes it is part of what she does now and so should be mentioned too, is far less significant than Rosen vs. Napster affair. Claíomh Solais (talk) 01:12, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NYT: Hilary Rosen bought over a half-million fake Twitter followers from 2015 to 2017. Nearly half of her followers are fake.[edit]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/27/technology/social-media-bots.html

Over two years, the Democratic public relations consultant and CNN contributor Hilary Rosen bought more than a half-million fake followers from Devumi. Ms. Rosen previously spent more than a decade as head of the Recording Industry Association of America. In an interview, she described the purchases as “an experiment I did several years ago to see how it worked.” She made more than a dozen purchases of followers from 2015 to 2017, according to company records.

Hilary Rosen, a political commentator and CNN contributor, paid for over a half-million Twitter followers. Many of those accounts have since vanished, but nearly half of her followers — including the fake Jessica Rychly — also follow Mr. Symon.

Xardox (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Time's Up Legal Defense Fund[edit]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi everyone. My name's John and I am here to disclose that I work for SKDKnickerbocker and would like to submit an edit to this page as a part of my work for the firm. I will not edit the article directly and am seeking others' input and assistance in making this change.

My goals in preparing a new draft is to bring the page up-to-date.

See above for my COI declaration, pledge to make no direct edits, and overall perspective on the current state of this article. I'd like to suggest the following change to the summary section of the page. Below this you'll find the text as it would appear after making the change, followed by the markup itself:

Hilary Rosen (born 1958) is an American communications and political consultant and pundit, former head of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), founding chair-person of the Time's Up Legal Defense Fund, and current partner at SKDKnickerbocker. She was a columnist for The Washington Post, became the first Washington editor-at-large and political director of The Huffington Post, and has provided political commentary for CNN, CNBC, and MSNBC.

If you agree this is an improvement, I hope you'll consider making the change and marking this request as complete. Of course I'm also willing to answer any questions as needed. Best, User:SKDKDigital

@SKDKDigital: Do you have some sort of source? A press release should be acceptable to make this change, in the circumstances. Sceptre (talk) 18:27, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This CNN piece names her as a co-founder: ^[1]

Reply 4-OCT-2019[edit]

Clarification requested

The NWLC source states the following:
The TIME’S UP Legal Defense Fund is housed and administered by the National Women’s Law Center Fund, LLC. The TIME’S UP Legal Defense Fund was started by women in Hollywood who were moved by the outpouring of support from the Alianza Nacional de Campesinas, a national farmworker women’s organization. These actresses and activists wanted to show solidarity with survivors of sexual harassment, assault, abuse and related retaliation in all industries — especially low-income women and people of color. They worked together in a historic first to design a structure that would be both inclusive and effective. The actresses and advocates collaborated with super lawyers Tina Tchen and Robbie Kaplan, Fatima Goss Graves of the National Women’s Law Center, and communications specialist Hilary Rosen. ^[2]
That source does not give the status of Ms. Rosen as "founding chairperson". The COI editor's proposal also uses the phrase "co-founder" which is different from the term "founding chairperson". I think at a minimum there needs to be an economy of terms here, with it being decided which term is more appropriate to use based on the sources provided by the COI editor.
To that end, an ideal source would be one provided from NWLC, which would then solve all of the issues here by stating her role in the founding of this groundbreaking legal fund.^[a] That would allow for the claim to be made in the article. Please advise.
When ready to proceed with the requested information, kindly change the {{request edit}} template's answer parameter to read from |ans=yes to |ans=no. Thank you!

Regards, Spintendo 20:07, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ According to the narrative established by the NWLC source, the Fund was founded by actresses and activists ("women in Hollywood") who then collaborated with a Washington, D.C.-based group of attorneys (Tchen, Kaplan, and Graves) and non-attorneys (communications specialist Rosen).

References

^ "Time's Up Anniversary" Melas, Chloe (January 1, 2019). "Time's Up Movement Anniversary". CNN. Retrieved October 3, 2019.
^ "About TIME'S UP Legal Defense Fund". NWLC.

Co-founder status (continued discussion below)[edit]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

First, apologies for the confusion on titling. I found the following article from Deadline Hollywood that may help clarify, it identifies Rosen as a "Time's Up found co-chair" ^[1] John at SKDKDigital (talk) 21:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Jurnee Smollett-Bell Says "There Is No Time's Up Without Women Of Color" During Time's Up Panel At SXSW". Deadline Hollywood.

I would prefer a source coming from the NWLC which states her position as founding co-chair, as I stated in my review above. To date, none has been provided. Regards, Spintendo 15:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could "founding communications specialist" from the NWLC source above be used instead? "The actresses and advocates collaborated with super lawyers Tina Tchen and Robbie Kaplan, Fatima Goss Graves of the National Women’s Law Center, and communications specialist Hilary Rosen". The implication is that the four of them were involved in founding the Legal Defense Fund arm of Time's Up. John at SKDKDigital (talk) 15:33, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a more recent citation from the New York Times:

Ms. Tchen was a founder of the organization’s signature initiative: a legal-defense fund for women in all industries who experienced sexual harassment at work... The other co-founders of the fund are the lawyer Robbie Kaplan; Fatima Goss Graves, the president and chief executive of the National Women’s Law Center; and the communications strategist Hilary Rosen. ^[1]

The New York Times is the preeminent news service today, however, they are not the final authority on whether she was co-founder (that same NYTimes source states that "The group was founded by powerful women in Hollywood", which doesn't include Washington DC). This is information which ought to come from the organization itself (and which should theoretically be easy to provide if the title of co-founder is one that is commonly applied by the organization itself when describing these individuals). I think the best way to describe Ms. Rosen is to use the verbatim description offered by NWLC (without any added implications, and added as a quote).^[a]^[b] Please advise. Regards, Spintendo 22:03, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ What would really be helpful here is some sort of digitized charter document which names all of the individuals present at the organization's founding. I have not been able to locate one in my search of NWLC's website. Perhaps you can help to locate where one exists. When one imagines that these were attorneys and non attorneys who laid the foundations of the organization and who currently house the organization, the assumption is that a charter document must exist — as it's highly unlikely that attorneys nor Ms. Rosen would skip that step. This is a good example of when a primary source document is the preferred source, because that type of document is incontrovertible.
^ It's more likely that the charter document was digitized but not easily find-able within NWLC's website.

References

^ Zraick, Karen (2019-10-7). "Tina Tchen, Ex-Obama Aide Will Take Over Time's Up". The New York Times. Retrieved 2019-10-22. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Thank you Spintendo. Understood, can we use the language: "Rosen is the founding communications specialist of the Time's Up (movement) Legal Defense Fund." citing the NWLC source you provided? — Preceding unsigned comment added by John at SKDKDigital (talk • contribs) 17:41, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[3] According to the narrative established by the NWLC source, the Fund was founded by actresses and activists ("women in Hollywood") who then collaborated with a Washington, D.C.-based group of attorneys (Tchen, Kaplan, and Graves) and non-attorneys (communications specialist Rosen).

[1] "Time's Up Anniversary" Melas, Chloe (January 1, 2019). "Time's Up Movement Anniversary". CNN. Retrieved October 3, 2019.

[2] "About TIME'S UP Legal Defense Fund". NWLC.

[4] "Jurnee Smollett-Bell Says "There Is No Time's Up Without Women Of Color" During Time's Up Panel At SXSW". Deadline Hollywood.

[6] What would really be helpful here is some sort of digitized charter document which names all of the individuals present at the organization's founding. I have not been able to locate one in my search of NWLC's website. Perhaps you can help to locate where one exists. When one imagines that these were attorneys and non attorneys who laid the foundations of the organization and who currently house the organization, the assumption is that a charter document must exist — as it's highly unlikely that attorneys nor Ms. Rosen would skip that step. This is a good example of when a primary source document is the preferred source, because that type of document is incontrovertible.

[7] It's more likely that the charter document was digitized but not easily find-able within NWLC's website.

[Zraick_2019-5] Zraick, Karen (2019-10-7). "Tina Tchen, Ex-Obama Aide Will Take Over Time's Up". The New York Times. Retrieved 2019-10-22. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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