Talk:Gregor Gysi

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Well,

I am new in Wikipedia and just wanted to correct the appreviation of the German social democratic party which is SPD (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands, Social Democratic Party of Germany). Such (minor) mistakes might be omitted by always given the original language name of all organisations mentioned, just as I saw that for Chinese names also the Chinese characters are given (what I appreciate very much).

Wolfgang Pomrehn

Fixed the abbreviation. For future reference, you can just click "edit this page" and correct any errors you see -- be bold! --Delirium 19:10, Aug 4, 2003 (UTC)

Name[edit]

What kind of name is Gysi actually? It sounds Hungarian to me. Is my assumption correct? Meursault2004 12:21, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply] 

: gysi is jewish or eastgerman (-european)

Jewish Origin?[edit]

I read in the article: He is nominally of Jewish origin. What is meant with "nominally"? His father was nominally jew, his mother not, and he does not consider himself as a jew. If his mother would have been jewish, this sentence could make some sense, but not like this. -- Arne List 17:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Gysi looks like a Hungarian name, but Google doesn't turn up any Hungarian Gysis, only Germans. There is no such thing as a "Jewish name" unless it is a Hebrew name, which Gysi is not. And a person can't be of "nominally Jewish origin." If his mother is not Jewish then he is not Jewish. The most that can be said is that he is of Jewish descent on his father's side. Adam 09:20, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well I guess the Liberal Jewish Communities over here would accept him, if he was brought up Jewish. But this might not have been the case since he grew up in the GDR. Besides it does not matter, but I am curious were you read that Arne? He is without any doubt the most charismatic person among politicians over here; if you ask me. He is next to Oscar Lafontaine, former Social Democrat (who feels a bit populist to me at times, but please don't bother about my limited perspective; I simply chocked once or twice about one or two of his sentences)the main force behind the union of the Left Party, a world that must make Americans choke. the union of former Eastern Party members and diverse Western left groups, some left the Social democrats to join, since they felt thy could not support the "neo-liberal" drift any longer. They brought together the former Eastern Communist Party and united it with the western left groups of the most diverse colors, partly Social Democrats and or Union people joined, since they felt the Social Democrats had moved too much towards a neo-liberal outlook (see Blair's New Labor). Gysi was the Eastern "frontman" in the enterprise and "LaFontaine" the Western.
Anyway you should consider to contribute something over at the "DIE LINKE/The Left". I am just passing by, with not much time. But if you are very, very patient, I may return in early September and help to shift a little information over from the German site.
Besides, Adam's comment is completely correct, apart from the exception to the rule there is no such thing as a Jewish name, that's a Nazi myth. Very shortly the Prussian king tried to stigmatize Jews after the emancipation via names, but his civil servants simply ignored his orders over the times; since matters were not so easy. Jewish names, due to the ghetto situation were only less modernized than German ones. Here lies the core of the later Nazi myth. A good point in case is the Vice President of the Berlin police, whose name was ?Bernhard? Weiss, Goebbels and his forces tried to drive him up the pole, which is a longer story, what is important in this context is that they called him Isidor (another longer story), if there would have been such a thing as a typically Jewish name, would they have needed to pin an additional one on him? All this of cause did not prevent them from spreading the myth of Jewish names. Weiss is simply White, a perfectly German name. My mother's name was Hahn, animals were considered suspicious too. [1] LeaNder 09:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there is still some lingering effect from the historical fact that the Nazi definition of "Jew" was, unlike the definition used by Jews themselves, "anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent". Thus, for example, Gysi would be eligible for emigration to Israel under its Law of Return if he so chose, and would have been persecuted had he been alive during WW2. --Delirium 15:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chairman of the parliamentary group Left Party[edit]

Is it Gysi or LaFontaine? Both articles (Gregor Gysi and Oskar Lafontaine have this tag at the bottom as the current Chairman. And also if I may say that Gregor Gysi is the man! I wish we have a left leader like him in the U.S.

I believe they have some sort of co-leadership arrangement, in order to have both sides of the pre-merger party represented (Gysi from the Eastern-heavy PDS and Lafontaine from the Western-heavy WASG). Gysi seems to more often be described specifically as the parliamentary floor leader, though. --Delirium (talk) 19:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Place of birth[edit]

Incorrectly given as the German Democratic Republic. The German Democratic Republic (Deutsche Demokratische Republik - DDR) was not founded until 7 October 1949. Gysi was born in 1948 in the Soviet Occupation Zone of Germany.Intermax (talk) 22:14, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dr.[edit]

I removed the "Dr." from Gysi's name at the very start of the article. Gysi may have earned an academic doctorate, but in English "Dr." is a title and not part of one's name. (I know it's different in German, where the "Dr." can be appended to one's name for use in official documentation.) Moreover, in English, generally speaking, only physicians are known socially or informally as "Dr.", e.g. Dr. Livingstone. Gysi has a doctorate in law. Poldy Bloom (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In Germany the Dr. becomes part of the name. It's like having another given name and your signature is not valid without the Dr. The complete version is what one wants, i.e. Dr. jur. for a doctor of law, Dr. med. for a doctor of medicine, and in my father's case it was Dr. rer. nat. but I don't know how to translate that. My late father was a doctor of physics in Germany. A Dr. title can be revoked if you are a convicted criminal. After what I experienced through the Kohl-Regime, his Dr. should have been revoked but the system does not work like that any more. Doctores among themselves drop that title and it is bad form to remind anyone that you want to be addressed as Dr.; Kohl once rebuked a journalist for not addressing him with the Dr. and had my father been alive he would have said 'just shows he is a social climber'. In the Bundestag speech December 2015, it says 'Dr. Gregor Gysi' on the sign, as it is part of his name. I came a across a Dr. Tom Smith, a university lecturer specialising in Asian studies; in the old money that would have been Tom Smith, PhD. Maybe in English it should read "Gregor Gysi, Dr. jur.'There is no straightforward solution when cultures are different. 2001:8003:A0B9:EF00:A4F2:26BA:2474:37BF (talk) 23:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nazis, Native population, and lower birth rates[edit]

A recent rally advert by Gysi insinuated native populations being replaced with foreign populations as a healthier future for Germany. The term "Nazi" was used-- a very sensitive and inflammatory statement in contemporary Germany. In addition, insinuating that lower birth rates among certain populations would be meaningful and potentially advantageous was inflammatory, thus qualifying as controversial. It appears that 91.235.8.237 did not accurately translate the documents or video. 91.235.8.237 also eliminated an entire section--'controversies' and thus may be close to edit warring. Should future edit warring occur, 91.235.8.237 will be reported. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.160.244.2 (talk) 10:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]


91.235.8.237 here.
In no way or form does Gysi suggest:
- That native population should be replaced with foreign population.
- That all native Germans are Nazis.
The video in question uses a misleading or outright wrong translation of Gysis statement. This rally advert was a non-issue in Germany for a very obvious reason - it is not controversial. The german statement has no content relevant for a biographic article.
Since your added content is erroneous and based on an anti-Semitic source, I will in accordance with the biographies of living persons policy continue to remove it immediately.
--Agrajag! (talk) 20:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Besides that, your first addition about the Stasi collaboration is already discussed in "Post-Unification" in greater detail and therefore redundant.
Agrajag! (talk) 20:18, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with 91.235.8.237
The video is mistranslated and was a non issue in Germany and I couldn't find one newsarticle mentioning it as controversial.
What he says is to the effect of "The Nazis luckily reproduce just as slow/little as the rest of the Germans."
--Dartz~dewiki (talk) 21:49, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Stasi helper?[edit]

I am confused why this in the opening paragraph of the English version for Gregor Gysi:

> He has strongly denied allegations that he used to help the Stasi – the East German secret police.

This doesn't exist in the German version. It is also a bit strange, as this would be well-documented if he was a "helper of the Stasi" (whatever that means). This standard of clarifying their relationship to the Stasi doesn't appear to exist for other East German politicians who were politically active in the DDR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.251.253 (talk) 06:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Position as President of the European Left[edit]

On 15 December 2019 "At the sixth Congress of the European Left in Malaga under the motto: "Reset Europe - Go Left!" Heinz Bierbaum was elected with 66.7 percent as the new President of the European Left. He succeeds Gregor Gysi, who held the office since December 2016." The Left (Germany) --Supremerino (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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