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FAC mentoring: first-time nominators

A voluntary mentoring scheme, designed to help first-time FAC nominators through the process and to improve their chances of a successful outcome, is now in action. Click here for further details. Experienced FAC editors, with five or more "stars" behind them, are invited to consider adding their names to the list of possible mentors, also found in the link. Brianboulton (talk) 10:17, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

FAC source reviews

For advice on conducting source reviews, see Wikipedia:Guidance on source reviewing at FAC.

Changes to FAC and GAN statistics tools

I have combined the two statistics tools that I maintain into one location. The GAN tool will continue to be at the same URL, but that site now hosts the FAC statistics tool as well. The FAC statistics will no longer update at the old location, here; they will only be updated at the new location. I will add a banner to that page making it clear that the data is no longer being updated.

The only FAC statistics tool I've moved is the editor query, since I think it was the one most often used. If anyone is in the habit of using any of the other queries available from the current FAC statistics tool, let me know, and I'll add it to the new location. Please let me know of any problems with the new tool. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

A small thing, but on the new FAC tool if I enter the name of an editor with no FAC history I get "500 Internal Server Error" rather than a page showing no FAC noms/reviews. On the old tool, I get what I assume is the intended behavior. Ajpolino (talk) 15:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Mike Christie A gentle ping to make sure you saw this. Not that it's an emergency or even needs to be fixed; just thought you'd like to know. Thanks. Ajpolino (talk) 03:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping; I'd missed this. I won't be able to work on this till next week but I'll take a look then -- as you say, it's a minor issue, but I'd like to tidy it up. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Ajpolino, this has been fixed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mike Christie:The old toolforge has a page that shows the review ratios of all editors with nominations at FAC. I use this chart to decide which articles I want to review (as I like reviewing articles from editors who are actively helping other FACs become promoted). Can this feature be returned to the new toolforge? Even a simpler chart that only showed reviews-to-nominations would be helpful, as I ignored most of the other stats and it takes a long time to pull up those stats. Z1720 (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

That's the "Current FACs" query? Yes -- might take me a week or two. Will post here when it's done. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mike Christie: Yes, on the old one the link is labelled "Current FACs". However, it returned so much information that it took a long time to load. If possible (and if less work for you) this query can return less information for me, as I only used the reviews-to-FAC ratio stat. Z1720 (talk) 18:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll look into abbreviating it, but if I recall correctly the slowness was caused by having to access each of the active FAC pages to find the nominators. If so it will be hard to speed up, but I'll take a look. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

What is the difference between FA and GA again?

I have been thinking for a long time about the difference between FA and GA, and it feels like they both somewhat look the same. WP:GVF describes "featured articles must be our very best work; good articles meet a more basic set of core editorial standards and are decent." In this case, does this mean that FA must comprehensive—meaning that the article contains a lot of perspectives, research, and many other facts globally—whereas GA means that the article is broad in its coverage (GACR3) but needs some further expansion? Speaking of comprehensiveness, as one of the criteria in FA, I have seen a discussion where a user asked about it based on the reviewer's perspectives, but I would like to understand it more strongly. Regards. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 12:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The distinction between FAs and GAs is indeed nuanced, but it essentially comes down to the level of quality and comprehensiveness expected for each category. I'll try to compare them in regards to a few criteria that set them apart.

• FAs must be thorough and cover the topic in depth. This means that the article should include a wide range of perspectives, extensive research, and all relevant facts to provide a complete understanding of the subject. It should leave no significant aspect unexplored or inadequately covered. GAs, on the other hand, should cover the topic broadly, addressing the main aspects sufficiently. However, they do not need to delve as deeply into every nuance as FA articles do.
• The prose of an FA must be of the highest quality—clear, engaging, and free from errors. The article should be well-structured, with coherent flow and readability. For GAs, the prose should be clear and readable, but the standards are not as stringent as those for FA. It should be free of major errors but can tolerate minor issues that do not significantly detract from the reading experience.
• For FAs, sources should be of the highest quality, comprehensive, and fully verifiable. The article should follow Wikipedia's citation guidelines rigorously. GAs require reliable sources and appropriate citations, but the sourcing does not need to be as exhaustive as for FAs. The key is that the sources must support the article's content sufficiently.

In essence, while GAs are solid articles that meet core editorial standards and are well-written and informative, FAs represent the pinnacle of quality on Wikipedia, requiring meticulous attention to detail, balance, and thoroughness. The distinction lies in the extent of coverage and the rigor of the quality standards applied. I hope this helps. FrB.TG (talk) 12:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

It is worth saying that the gap between GA and FA has narrowed over time, as reviewing standards at GA have got tighter—simply copy-pasting a tickbox template is no longer considered an acceptable review there. However, there is still a large gap. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to the multiple-reviewer-plus-coordinators approach at FAC, the overall review quality is more consistent than with the single-reviewer approach for GANs, where there are no mechanisms to guard against particularly sloppy or overly picky reviews. —Kusma (talk) 14:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Good assessments above. Another major (actually, pace above, I would say possibly the most important, as the process rests on one of Wikip[edia's core principles) difference is that one is peer-reviewed, and a consensus on quality and standard is formed; the other is not. ——Serial Number 54129 13:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129 TIL a new definition of pace ("an expression of deference to someone's contrary opinion"). Thank you. RoySmith (talk) 13:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thanks Roy  :) for what it's worth, I had to look up TIL as well!  :) ——Serial Number 54129 13:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

And one more point: some MoS related issues are not required for GA but are required for FA. Similarly, GA citations can be inconsistent and badly formatted -- all that is required at GA is that the source can be reached via the citation. FAC requires consistency in source formatting. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I would also say that the image review and use of visuals is far more scrutinized in a FA as well. Alt text for the visually impaired or those without access to images is required on FA, as is the substantiation of an image if the information is not cited in the body. Licensing requires analysis, i.e. beyond checking that the licensing is appropriate, does it meet other requirements, licensed in both the US and country of origin, does it comply with "freedom of panorama" rules, if applicable, etc. Tables should be used sparingly in FA with thoughtfulness as to whether they are necessary or would be better presented as prose. FA also requires mindfulness on use of colors, if one must use a colored visual, is it in a spectrum that will be helpful and not cause confusion for the reader. SusunW (talk) 14:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Alt text for the visually impaired or those without access to images is NOT required on FA, though reviewers often ask for it. Johnbod (talk) 14:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep, rightly so. Any editor unwilling to spend a couple of providing ALTTEXT is basically fucking over our visually-imparired readers... who are often listeners, of course. Just tie it closer to MOS:ACCESS and be done with it. ——Serial Number 54129 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The main issue with alt text is that we only ask for the presence of some alt text, ignoring the question whether that alt text is of any use for a visually impaired reader. Opinion on what constitutes good alt text seems to vary widely (and depend on the image and context), so it is difficult to improve the situation without some dedicated alt text experts helping with reviews. —Kusma (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Indeed - and the "dedicated alt text experts" don't seem to agree either, as we found out many years ago, when there was a big push on this, which then collapsed in the absence of agreement as to what was actually useful. Johnbod (talk) 15:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

"Many years ago", when accessibility was not deemed as important as it is now. Have the same discussion today, and you'll likely see very different results. I think there's a lot more resonance between access (a lack of) and in/direct discrimination. These are very serious issues for the WP community of 2024, even if they may not have been, or, gently, of such importance a decade earlier. ——Serial Number 54129 15:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

My take away from diversity training I have had is that alt text should describe the image to someone who cannot see it and not repeat the caption information, as both are read by a screen reader. For example on a wall mural with multiple images, I would use alt=painting on a wall caption=Mural depicting X, Y, Z on the fence outside the stadium in Timbucktoo, 2013. I literally just reviewed an article that had a map with alt=see caption and the caption=X's childhood home in Timbucktoo. To my eyes the alt is not remotely helpful. Doesn't say it is a map rather than a photograph of either the town or the actual house. And yes, totally in agreement, SN 54129. SusunW (talk) 15:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Definitely. I think there's some confusion about what alt text is actually supposed to be and I've seen people trying to conform it to the caption when in reality they serve very different and complementary purposes. I do think it's reasonable to suggest adding it back in as a featured article criteria but we should probably get some much clearer guidance and examples for editors to use as a guide before that. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 15:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Some alt text is easy. A text-based poster? Say what the text is. The difficult bit in my opinion is alt text for portraits, where I am unsure what information is needed. At Ulf Merbold (one of my FAs), the infobox image alt text is "Ulf Merbold wearing an orange spacesuit". Do we need to point out also that he is not wearing the helmet, that we can see his hair going grey, or that there is a model of a Space Shuttle in the background? Probably not all of them, but I would really like to have some guidance to follow. In particular, are there cases where "refer to caption" is a good alt text? —Kusma (talk) 16:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Most of this is covered at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images, both in terms of general guidelines and specific examples. - SchroCat (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe that the examples there are the best we can do (the very first example is alt "Painting of Napoleon Bonaparte in His Study at the Tuileries" for an image with caption "The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries by Jacques-Louis David" which seems fairly redundant, and later there is alt "Refer to caption" for "Comparison of three different types of toothbrush", which at least could mention that they differ in bristle arrangement while all three are made of plastic). The examples in the table seem better. —Kusma (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you Kusma. A lot of what is in that essay is directly contradicted by training I have received. Its examples seem contrary and create redundancies, IMO. Barring better instruction, I use my best judgment on how would I describe an image to someone who cannot see it. (Who knew my observation on differences between GA and FA would generate so much discussion?) SusunW (talk) 17:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion: as a first step take this discussion to that page so that it can be improved, and then when that's felt to be in a good state bring the conversation back here to discuss whether it should be considered part of the criteria. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation to all users here. I can understand the difference between FA's and GA's criteria, including the comprehensiveness, prose, and sources. Speaking of the images and alternative texts, maybe this can be discussed later. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm of the camp that pushes for more and better ALT texts. But, I've slowly come to think this may be the wrong direction. I recently bought a new car. Correction: I bought a new computer that happened to come with 4 tires and a steering wheel as peripherals. It's not quite a self-driving car, but it does come with enough sensors to "semi-automatically" execute parallel parking itself. It warns me about things I'm about to run into. It warns me about approaching cars when I go to open a door. It notices that I'm wandering over the painted lane stripes on the road . It reads street signs and tells me I'm speeding if I'm going faster than the last sign is saw said I could.

@Kusma suggests above that the ALT text should include a transcription of text that's visible in the image. At one level, I agree, and I do that, but we're long past the point where OCR software is capable of doing that for us (not to mention providing automatic translations to other languages). It can be doing full-on image recognition. This should be happening automatically for every image uploaded to commons. Maybe it's not quite at the point where it can write good ALT texts for us, but it's certainly at the point where it can do a reasonable approximation and then the article author can fix it up. RoySmith (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Um. I'm really not sure we're at that point right now, particularly given Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Alternative_text_for_images#Importance_of_context. (And particularly given peoples' tendency to assume that automation can get you 100% of the way there rather than only 80%). Nikkimaria (talk) 03:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

next nomination

hi @FAC coordinators: may i nominate another article? my current FAC (Aston Martin Rapide) has four supports, and the source review and image review have been done. 750h+ 11:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

As soon as Gog's comments are fully resolved and he has no further concerns, you may. FrB.TG (talk) 12:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

okay. 750h+ 12:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I have finished. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:42, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead, 750. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. @FAC coordinators: per the comment left by Gog, i believe the nomination can be closed? 750h+ 13:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I will look at it the next time (soon) I go through the FACs list unless one of my fellow coords beats me to it. FrB.TG (talk) 11:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Gog the Mild already left his comments. Gog stated "I have ended up contributing more to it than I had anticipated, to the edge of being involved. From an abundance of caution I shall recuse, support promotion and ask one of my colleagues to close." 750h+ 11:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I can see that, but the closing coordinator still needs to thoroughly check the FAC and article to ensure everything is in order. Considering the number of FACs that need attention, this process takes time. So please be patient. FrB.TG (talk) 12:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh okay. 750h+ 12:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Looking for a mentor for first FAC

Hello, I am looking for a mentor as I am approaching the FA nomination for Hogwarts Legacy. In case someone is willing to do it, let me know, thanks! Vestigium Leonis (talk) 18:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

FAC reviewing statistics and nominator reviewing table for May 2024

Here are the FAC reviewing statistics for May 2024. The tables below include all reviews for FACS that were either archived or promoted last month, so the reviews included are spread over the last two or three months. A review posted last month is not included if the FAC was still open at the end of the month. The new facstats tool has been updated with this data, but the old facstats tool has not. The queries used to generate this summary have been updated to point to the new tool location, and I've checked the output for consistency, but please let me know if anything looks wrong. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewers for May 2024

# reviews Type of review Reviewer Content Source Image Accessibility Jo-Jo Eumerus 17 5 Nikkimaria 2 1 17 SchroCat 15 1 Gog the Mild 12 1 Serial Number 54129 8 3 750h+ 8 1 1 Ajpolino 7 3 UndercoverClassicist 10 Draken Bowser 7 1 Tim riley 8 ChrisTheDude 7 Hog Farm 6 PCN02WPS 6 AirshipJungleman29 4 Aoba47 4 Generalissima 3 1 HJ Mitchell 4 Matarisvan 4 Pseud 14 4 Buidhe 3 Elli 3 Femke 2 1 HAL333 3 JennyOz 3 Kusma 2 1 LunaEclipse 1 2 Premeditated Chaos 3 TompaDompa 3 ZooBlazer 1 2 AryKun 2 Averageuntitleduser 2 Ceoil 2 Choliamb 2 Dylan620 1 1 FunkMonk 2 Igordebraga 2 Jens Lallensack 2 Llewee 2 Mike Christie 2 RoySmith 2 Sawyer777 2 Skyshifter 2 Ssilvers 2 TechnoSquirrel69 1 1 Z1720 2 <none> 1 4meter4 1 A455bcd9 1 Aza24 1 Borsoka 1 BOZ 1 Carlinal 1 Cplakidas 1 David Fuchs 1 DecafPotato 1 Dudley Miles 1 Dugan Murphy 1 Eem dik doun in toene 1 Epicgenius 1 Esculenta 1 Gerda Arendt 1 Ghosts of Europa 1 Graham Beards 1 Hahnchen 1 Heartfox 1 Ippantekina 1 KJP1 1 Lajmmoore 1 Mirokado 1 Mujinga 1 MyCatIsAChonk 1 NegativeMP1 1 PanagiotisZois 1 Parsecboy 1 Plantdrew 1 Princessa Unicorn 1 Redrose64 1 Sammi Brie 1 Smokefoot 1 Stepho-wrs 1 The Morrison Man 1 Therapyisgood 1 Triphora 1 User-duck 1 Volcanoguy 1 Wehwalt 1 Wolverine XI 1 YBG 1 Zinnober9 1 ZKang123 1 Totals 214 31 33 '

Supports and opposes for May 2024

# declarations Declaration Editor Support Oppose converted to support Struck oppose Struck support Oppose None Total Jo-Jo Eumerus 22 22 Nikkimaria 1 2 17 20 SchroCat 11 2 3 16 Gog the Mild 11 1 1 13 Serial Number 54129 4 1 6 11 Ajpolino 6 4 10 750h+ 7 1 2 10 UndercoverClassicist 7 2 1 10 Draken Bowser 6 1 1 8 Tim riley 8 8 ChrisTheDude 6 1 7 Hog Farm 5 1 6 PCN02WPS 6 6 Matarisvan 4 4 Generalissima 2 1 1 4 Pseud 14 4 4 AirshipJungleman29 3 1 4 HJ Mitchell 4 4 Aoba47 3 1 4 HAL333 3 3 Premeditated Chaos 3 3 Kusma 2 1 3 Femke 2 1 3 TompaDompa 1 2 3 Buidhe 3 3 LunaEclipse 3 3 ZooBlazer 1 2 3 JennyOz 3 3 Elli 3 3 RoySmith 1 1 2 Averageuntitleduser 2 2 AryKun 1 1 2 Dylan620 1 1 2 Ssilvers 1 1 2 FunkMonk 1 1 2 Mike Christie 2 2 Skyshifter 1 1 2 Jens Lallensack 1 1 2 Llewee 2 2 Ceoil 1 1 2 Choliamb 1 1 2 TechnoSquirrel69 1 1 2 Z1720 2 2 Sawyer777 2 2 Igordebraga 2 2 Wehwalt 1 1 Plantdrew 1 1 Stepho-wrs 1 1 Ippantekina 1 1 Graham Beards 1 1 Lajmmoore 1 1 PanagiotisZois 1 1 Cplakidas 1 1 DecafPotato 1 1 BOZ 1 1 Therapyisgood 1 1 The Morrison Man 1 1 Redrose64 1 1 Eem dik doun in toene 1 1 YBG 1 1 KJP1 1 1 Epicgenius 1 1 <none> 1 1 Mujinga 1 1 A455bcd9 1 1 Gerda Arendt 1 1 Carlinal 1 1 Dugan Murphy 1 1 ZKang123 1 1 MyCatIsAChonk 1 1 Heartfox 1 1 Hahnchen 1 1 4meter4 1 1 Wolverine XI 1 1 Mirokado 1 1 Volcanoguy 1 1 Parsecboy 1 1 Esculenta 1 1 Borsoka 1 1 Aza24 1 1 Sammi Brie 1 1 Ghosts of Europa 1 1 Zinnober9 1 1 David Fuchs 1 1 Triphora 1 1 NegativeMP1 1 1 Princessa Unicorn 1 1 Dudley Miles 1 1 User-duck 1 1 Smokefoot 1 1 Totals 154 ' 5 ' 12 107 278

The following table shows the 12-month review-to-nominations ratio for everyone who nominated an article that was promoted or archived in the last three months who has nominated more than one article in the last 12 months. The average promoted FAC receives between 6 and 7 reviews. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Nominators for March 2024 to May 2024 with more than one nomination in the last 12 months

Nominations (12 mos) Reviews (12 mos) Ratio (12 mos) 750h+ 2.0 11.0 5.5 Ajpolino 2.0 14.0 7.0 AryKun 3.0 11.0 3.7 BennyOnTheLoose 5.5 14.0 2.5 Borsoka 3.0 7.0 2.3 CactiStaccingCrane 2.0 1.0 0.5 ChrisTheDude 11.0 91.0 8.3 Darkwarriorblake 4.0 2.0 0.5 David notMD 2.0 None 0.0 Dudley Miles 3.0 29.0 9.7 Edge3 3.0 4.0 1.3 Epicgenius 8.5 17.0 2.0 FunkMonk 3.3 30.0 9.0 Generalissima 4.0 8.0 2.0 Hawkeye7 5.0 31.0 6.2 Heartfox 7.0 24.0 3.4 HJ Mitchell 2.0 9.0 4.5 Hog Farm 5.0 22.0 4.4 Ippantekina 4.0 9.0 2.2 Jens Lallensack 3.3 27.0 8.1 Jo-Jo Eumerus 6.0 180.0 30.0 Kyle Peake 2.0 None 0.0 Lankyant 2.0 1.0 0.5 Matarisvan 2.0 5.0 2.5 Mattximus 3.0 None 0.0 Mike Christie 7.0 69.0 9.9 Olmagon 2.0 None 0.0 Paleface Jack 2.0 None 0.0 PCN02WPS 3.0 25.0 8.3 Peacemaker67 6.0 4.0 0.7 Phlsph7 5.0 8.0 1.6 Pickersgill-Cunliffe 2.0 2.0 1.0 Premeditated Chaos 9.3 26.0 2.8 Pseud 14 5.0 43.0 8.6 RecycledPixels 3.0 1.0 0.3 RoySmith 3.0 27.0 9.0 Sandbh 3.0 5.0 1.7 SchroCat 13.5 111.0 8.2 TechnoSquirrel69 2.0 9.0 4.5 The Night Watch 3.0 7.0 2.3 Thebiguglyalien 5.0 12.0 2.4 TheLonelyPather 2.0 None 0.0 Tim O'Doherty 1.5 13.0 8.7 Tim riley 1.5 51.0 34.0 UndercoverClassicist 6.0 76.0 12.7 Vami IV 2.8 14.0 4.9 Volcanoguy 2.0 6.0 3.0 Voorts 5.5 22.0 4.0 Wehwalt 7.5 32.0 4.3 Wolverine XI 2.0 3.0 1.5 ZKang123 5.0 15.0 3.0

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Mentor request for Chinese characters FAC

I feel like I'm asking an awful lot from the community all of a sudden, given I've received an enormous amount of help—especially in Kusma's GAN review—plus the pending peer review, but I hope another line cast here couldn't hurt. It seems that articles like this one are comparatively distant from the areas of interest and comfort of FAC regulars, in aggregate.

I think I am well on my way to potentially diversifying the crew as such but even if one doesn't have area expertise here, I think that would be perfect: a highly perceptive and thoughtful person without particular area expertise is most certainly someone I'd most like to hear a review of this article from the most. Of course, that is also true for a highly perceptive and thoughtful person with area expertise, but that would be for distinct reasons! Ultimately, I want this to be better than any other collection of 8–10k words in existence to educate people on the subject. Remsense诉 12:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

MSincccc

They have been told already not to post a source review check (here) without, per rule, have[ing] attracted several reviews and declarations of support. Yet earlier today they did so again, this time with the summary Article has had multiple reviews and image review has also been conducted. This is not the case. Their article has picked up one tentative-leaning-support, and at least one other review refuses to give a verdict for their own reasons, while others have likewise not stated either way. So either MSincccc deliberately misunderstands the instructions for their own ends, or they do not understand basic instructions in English. If the former, then it is disruptive behaviour and if the latter then they should be reminded that competence is required to edit. ——Serial Number 54129 14:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Users Sohom Datta and Ssilvers have confirmed that further comments will be posted tomorrow. User Tim riley has not opposed the nomination, and I have received support from user 750h+. Additionally, the request for a source review has been addressed. My intentions were never disruptive. Co-nominator @Keivan.f: can confirm these facts. Furthermore, user @Serial Number 54129 has been leaving comments like Good to see the royals getting the same respect at FAC as they get from the rest of the country! on other users' talk pages, where I did not expect a response from him. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I understand your interpretation and fully accept that you were acting in good faith, but the nomination has not "attracted several ... declarations of support". You will save other editors and the coordinators, of whom I am one, time and effort if you do not list it for a source review until it has. Once it has, someone else - possibly me - is likely to list it reasonably promptly anyway. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your response @Gog the Mild. Would you mind leaving your suggestions at Catherine's FAC then? It would be greatly appreciated. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 16:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

MSincccc, there are currently 52 nominations going through the process, of which yours is only one, and yet yours is a name I see popping up on my watchlist on a great number of talk pages begging for reviews. Please stop doing this. It's annoying for people to be badgered constantly for review requests, particularly when everyone here has limited time available. We certainly don't need 52 people going round harassing for reviews if people want theirs to be driven through faster. Have patience, stop the badgering, review other people's articles (without asking for any reciprocation) and just wait for the reviews to come to you. You need to take on board that your review may take up to two months to go through the process. - SchroCat (talk) 16:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@SchroCat Apologies if my frequent requests have inconvenienced you at FAC. As a young user, I acknowledge that I may sometimes feel vulnerable. I will make an effort to be more patient in the future. I won't trouble any of you with further review requests for my FAC. Thank you for your valuable advice. I will remember it as I continue to grow both in age and in my understanding of English Wikipedia. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 16:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

MSincccc, In my experience, I find that it is only really appropriate to ask for reviews if the person has specific knowledge in the field and thus would be able to give a more in-depth and accurate review. This... does not seem to be the case when you request this sort of thing. A few months ago you asked on my talk page to review your Mark Zuckerberg GAN because I had written a number of GAs in the Economics and business category. This would be understandable if I focused on, I don't know, tech executives? But these GAs were on coins. A few days ago you asked again for a source review on your Catherine article, emphasizing our "past collaboration on a DYK review". This behavior really comes off as desperate, and I would suggest not asking people for reviews in the future. I know you're young, you mention this a lot, but I know some pretty young editors, and they don't need to beg for reviews. They just write good content and know that with enough time, reviews will come. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Generalissima Thanks for your suggestion. I will refrain from endlessly requesting other users for reviews in future. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 17:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Can Iemphasise SchroCat's advice "review other people's articles (without asking for any reciprocation) and just wait for the reviews to come to you"? Nothing is more likely to attract reviewers than their seeing you selflessly engaging in detailed, courteous and well-reasoned reviews of other FACs. It is also likely to improve the quality of your own articles. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)