Talk:Galactic Empire (Star Wars)

Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader

What is needed is some discussion of Skywalker's conversion to the Sith at around the same time as the establishment of the Empire. This would be simple - just a couple of sentences with appropriate references - Goldkill.

Darth Maul

Palpatine's acceptance of Darth Maul was due to the fact that Darth Maul could be used as a powerful tool against the Empire's enemies. In other words, you don't crap where you eat. That was how I saw it, anyway. -- ヤギ

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It is partially modelled after Manchurian China.

Two questions. Do you mean the Qing dynasty or Manchukuo, and how exactly is the Galactic Empire modeled after either. I don't see the resemblance. - Roadrunner

Vader

Just a slight point, I changed Vader's title to 'Executor.' Main peice of evidence is that his flagship was named 'Executor', and Palpatine's was named 'Soveriegn'. Also the word Executor basically means someone given permission to act on your behalf, which is what Vader did. Finally, it's a lot nicer title than the current one and I dont believe Vader's title was ever officially mentioned.

Right, Vader was never given an offical title. I was the one who came up with the original descripton "Emperor's assignee," as I needed something that said Vader was second-in-command and had power, but the Emperor was the all-powerful one and Vader sometimes served as a representaive of the Emperor. The best word a could find was "assignee," but "executor" is better.

The Emperor's flagship was named Eclipse. A slightly smaller version of this unique vessel was designated Sovereign-class.

Fixed it up a bit

I fixed the article up a bit. --Kross 23:15, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Question

I have written a number of articles about the Empire, the Palpatinist system, and the Empire's collapse in the Analysis section of my website at Domus Publica, and I think the Wikipedia article would be well-served by a link to my own articles at that site. However, as I am the author of that site and am therefore not impartial, I wish to know if any other interested author agrees and would consent to linking to my site. The decision is not mine; I merely suggest it and await the response of interested parties. Publius 05:29, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Having read your articles, I personally think that they'd be a great addition to the links portion of this topic. Phongn 14:33, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I think you should link your site. Superstarwarsfan 23:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

First empire???

Is the empire Palpatine formed the first empire? I read somewhere that the kind of empire Palpatine instigated "hadn't been seen for millenia", implying that there had been a galactic empire before this one. Scorpionman 11:13, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

The Sith probably had an empire prior to the Ruusan Reformation--Kross 11:22, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

I really think that the Empire was established to fade away the aging Republic. That is why its rule was totalitarian, by sweeping away the corrupion in the senate and perhaps thew entire galaxy. Someone must review this article again to add some discussion about the Empire. MoffJerjerod123, 4:55, July 31st, 2005

The first galaxy-wide empire was instigated by Chancellor Palpatine. Yes, there was the Sith Empire, prior to the Ruusan Reformation. It existed alongside the Old Republic. Although it was much smaller than the Republic, it was much richer. It would be many hundreds of years later until the revenge of the Sith. It's capital was the sacred Sith burial world of Korriban. The Sith Empire was finally ended in the Battle of Ruusan. There was also the Infinite Empire of the Rakata (49,000 BBY-28,000 BBY), which consisted of a few isolated subject worlds such as Kashyyyk, Tatooine(which was a vast jungle planet at that time), Dantooine, etc.

But wasn't the Sith Empire(s) more than 4000 years BBY? Astroview120mm 02:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

there are like 3 sith empires (pre-war, post-war, new sith; its basically a play on the "3rd reich", hence the galactic empire is the fouth reich... aka EU, just kidding)... and sith empire wasn't really much smaller than the republic, as most of the sector were just 'allies' who liberally switch sides as the balance of power shifts. the last of the empire is not based in Korriban which has been reduce to ruins after the fall of the earlier empires... 183.90.36.91 (talk) 09:30, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

--Heddphones 18:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Ghormian massacre?

Someone made an article Ghormian Massacre that had been a redlink from here. I don't know anything about it, but the article was pretty bad (see here). I didn't wanna bother deleting the article, so I redirected it here. I tried googling on this but the only result was this article. Does anyone know more about this? Is it even canonical or is someone trying to slip in fan fiction? The lack of google results concerns me. Friday (talk) 04:49, 12 August 2005 (UTC) The Ghorman massacre is canonical, and depicts an event in which Governor Tarkin lands his shuttle on a mass of protestors blocking his landing pad on the planet Ghorman in the Sern sector.

He actually smashed them all with a Victory Star Destroyer (smaller version of the ones seen in the movies)that he landed on top of them User:Hibbidyhai

Sucessor?

Who would of suceeded Palpitine to the Imperial Throne? I would assume Darth Vader, but Moff Tarikin seems a likely Candidate. Plus, Palpitine could have a Brother or some other blood realitive. Maybe somebody we don't know about, say in the books?(I have only seen the movies) The Republican 00:22, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

It was later revealed in the comic series that the Emperor had absolutely no intention of dying, and the strength in the Dark Side of the Force to ensure he wouldn't; thus, a moot point. When he died, Sate Pestage, the Grand Vizier, took over the Empire, though had he died of 'natural causes' and left a successor, my unprofessional, unqualified opinion is that Pestage would probably not have been the most likely candidate. Hope that helps. David Corbett 06:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Palpatine did have a few relatives- the only one to get close to the throne was assassinated by Noghri however (see the Dark Empire Sourcebook). Given his nature and actions during the Imperial Mutiny, my guess is he wanted whoever won the civil wars to succeed him. --maru (talk) contribs 20:19, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

actually its a guy named Grand Admiral Thrawn a couple years laer - User:Halo 31887

I thought that the Emporer did not set any succsessor, the people who sucseeded him did so because they wanted to, not because the Emporer wanted them to. I belive this because the Emporer thought he was immortal. Superstarwarsfan 23:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the Emperor had no intention of dying. The "successor" was whoever gained control. Sate Pestage took over after the Emperors death but was forced to abdicate. The Director of Imperial Intelligence Iceheart took over for awhile, then the new Republic took Coruscant. After that, the Empire fractured into lots of groups, like Warlord Zjinsi. Then Grand Admiral Thrawn took over and unified the Empire, though he died. Control then shifted to Admiral Pallaeon who ruled for most of the time until the lastest Star War novels. Some people like Admiral Daala and the Ressurected Emperor took over for short amounts of time before the N.J.O. I don't know much about the Legacy Empire, though I assume it becomes a Monarchy again. User:Hibbidyhai

Star Dreadnaught / Star Destroyer

I changed the caption of the Executor to Star Destroyer, rather than Star Dreadnaught. I know that it is technically a dreadnaught. However, for clarity and consistency, I fell that Destroyer is more prudent. ddcrandall

Actually, if it isn't refered to as a Star Dreadnought it is referred to as a super star destroyer.-GangstaEB 12:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hitler's Empire

The Star Wars empire sounds like to me it is based on Hitler's Germany. --GangstaEB & friends

Well... Yeah. That's pretty obvious. --maru (talk) contribs 19:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't be the current Emperor either. Don't you look at my userpages... I'll get my Death Star III on your planet. I'm warning you!-GangstaEB & friends

I view the Empire as more based on the Romans than the Nazis, however almost all governments that have cult of personality leaders tend to have similar structures and rises to power. SWVRoma 04:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I think, there are more similarities with Hitler Germany than w/ the roman empire: the romans didn't have genocide and there was much less racism than in Hitler's empire or the SW-empire. But also some things seem to be taken from the roman empire, i.E. the name of the imperial senate, although it had far less power than the roman senate had even when Rome was ruled by emperors. So the senate's power can be compared to the power of the German Reichstag. So I think, it's based on both. --MrBurns (talk) 06:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Galactic Empire (Star Wars)#Bad or Good?

I really like this section, but the entire thing absolutely reeks of original research. "Noted intellectuals"? The hell? Those two people don't have articles, and the only article that links to them is this one.

Someone cite some sources for all of it, please. EVula 21:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The Empire were really the good guys.--68.45.161.241 06:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The evidence seems to speak to the contrary.--FVZA_Colonel 12:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

should it be noted that the stormtroopers were the peace keepers of the galaxy Cinco555 02:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Well said. Also, they built the Death Stars to destroy whole planets that did not fall in line.

Wrong. See Tarkin Doctrine. --Wooty Woot? contribs 19:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

You can't base moral judgements of the Empire on the beliefs of individuals within it. You have to look at the Imperial system as a whole. I believe that the Empire is not evil, but Palpatine and many leaders are. They are two different things that are often, understandably, merged into one issue. Also, after Palpatine's downfall (the last one), the Empire came under the control of Grand Admiral Palleon who made the Empire far more democratized and, during the Yuuzhan Vong war and possibly afterwords, was far more efficient than the New Republic and just as free. Flag-Waving American Patriot 17:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Villain group ?

I will delete this from the category "Villain groups" because of the bad or good debate.Because Its too confuseing! the article says its a matter of debate but the category says that they are evil!

It really odd. Someone is making this page an edit war The Empire are traditionally the bad guys. i.e Any government that is okay with repressing freedom and annihilating entire planets can't be good. When the Empire finally signs a peace treaty witht the New Republic they become more less benign, even coming to the aide of the Republic. Also, Grand Admiral Pallaeon wasn't so bad. User:Hibbidyhai

Introduction

I've begun the much-needed clean-up of this article, to bring it round to an out-of-universe viewpoint. The introduction is improved but could do with further work. I hope other people will take my lead and go through the rest of the article. Polocrunch 16:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

xenophobia

I tried to improve the poorly written section on xenophobia. I'm not an expert on the Star Wars universe or critical review, so I made a few changes to improve readability. Impartiality could be dramatically improved and references should be added. --Rosenbluh 09:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, unfortunatly, there aren't many citations at all. This could be a wonderful article if there were more! I would do them, but I'm not a Star Wars expert [Although a big fan] and would be afraid of getting it wrong. Good luck to any editor who tries! Scarian 15:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Population

The Galactic Empire contains nearly the whole galaxy. Acording to this map the known parts of the galaxy have a population of 10^17 sapient inhabitants. Because only a very small fraction of them were not in the empire, I think a population of 10°17 by the year 0 ABY should be added in the table. Alternatively the year 4 ABY can be used (this was the year of the Battle of Endor), but I think, this doesn't make a difference in the population. But one problem ist, that vthe population cannot be added in the table, which is used now (Template:Infobox StarWarsOrganizations). --MrBurns (talk) 06:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Roman Empire resemblance?

Does anyone see a resemblance between this empire's rise and the Roman Empire's rise? I'll grant that there are noticeable differences, but... 173.67.14.94 (talk) 20:07, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

WP:OR

I've twice removed this content as uncited WP:OR. Per WP:BRD, I invite the contributing editor to articulate his/her rationale for making this content addition. --EEMIV (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

British Empire and American Empire

While writing whole paragraphs on remote resemblances between the Galactic Empire and German uniforms etc. it is interesting how nobody mentions the obvious resemblance with the British Empire:

- Pax Britannica = "I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new empire" Anakin Skywalker

- The whole context of the American Revolution, Empire vs rebels, Valley Forge = Battle of Hoth etc.

- Imperial navy = British navy

- Social Darwinism was invented and used to legitimize British imperialism

- Phantom Menace is about trade wars and plotting which leads to rise of the Empire, see British East India Company trade war against India and Jamaica (Jar Jar Binks = Caribbean savage)

- Core world against Outer Rim = UK vs US colony

- All imperial actors have strong British accents, most (if not all) rebels have American accents (Obi-Wan being a notable exception)

- Etc…

Also any reflecting Star Wars fan should immediately realize the resemblance with the American Empire. There is only one sentence in the article that could be expanded to refer to the recent “War on Terror”, the Vietnam War (someone referred to Ewoks as the Vietnamese people fighting against an evil Empire without having advanced technology) and most certainly the war on Iraq. The Patriot Act, the Big government takeover, emergency laws, the manipulation of the people to go to war on false pretexts and so much more!

By the way, Stormtroopers were German specialized infantry in WW1 and had nothing to do with the Sturmstaffel (SS).

Well, technically, Darth Vader and Motti had American accents (and it's unclear whether the Stormtroopers had accents, let alone British accents, since they just sounded robotic overall), but yes, most did have British accents. I'm not sure about whether the Trade Federation thing in The Phantom Menace really qualifies as a comparison as Lucas made it pretty clear he intended for them to be based on the Republicans who engaged in the 1994 sweep of congress.

Also, here's another bit you might have missed. We know all about the Ewoks being based on the Vietcong, but did you know the Rebel Alliance was in fact based on them as well? Lucas made that very clear in The Making of Star Wars, with his draft notes from 1973, which you can read here. And if that's not enough, Lucas made that explicit in the AMC series "James Cameron's Story of Sci-Fi.", in April of this year. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:03, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

DomusPublica.net - new site somewhere?

I replaced the DomusPublica.net link with an archive snapshot taken 2005-09-27. This index page archive may or may not reproduce all the essays - I don't know if the web archive does full breadth-first-search archiving of all linked pages, or just some of them, or what. Have the essays been maintained somewhere else that Google can't find? I did a search for two of the titles, and Google didn't turn up anything except links to the extinct DomusPublica.net site. ("Rattling the Saber: Sectors, Oversectors, and the Strategic Forces of the Galactic Empire" and "Leviathan: Civil Life, the Rebellion, and the Apotheosis of Palpatine") Jimw338 (talk) 07:03, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Totalitarian/Authoritarian debate

Hi.

Adding this in because of the recent... issue regarding whether the Empire is totalitarian or authoritarian.

One of the biggest problems with it being totalitarian is the fact that they, at least in Legends, literally managed to not only allow the Corporate Sector Authority free reign over its territories and expanded its territories, but it actually did so with the explicit intent of allowing for transparent mercantilism (in other words, free markets) if we go by the Imperial Handbook (which is officially sanctioned by Lucasfilm) on page 9, and then there's the whole business of the Empire allowing for Immunity spheres, which effectively bar the Empire from setting foot inside of a territory, to exist. That simply does not work under a totalitarian regime of even Nazi Germany/Fascist Italy's nature, let alone something like, say, the USSR. A real totalitarian regime wouldn't even tolerate something like the CSA existing, or immunity spheres for that matter. Think along the lines of how Stalin had people executed for failing to deliver a personal recording of Mozart on time.

That brings me to my next point: Contrary to popular belief, the Nazis did NOT possess an actual mixed economy, certainly not free markets. It did give the illusion of free markets, yes, but what they had was a far more subtle form of control where they installed party operatives to take charge of the factories rather than being directly owned by the Nazis unlike with the Soviets. You can read about it all here and here, along with similar stuff (and bear in mind, Ludwig von Mises grew up during that time and had first-hand experience to this, so he knows full well what he's talking about). In other words, not even the Nazis would have dared allow for actual free markets, as Ludwig von Mises and even Albert Speer specifically stated, while the Empire clearly did allow for it in regards to the Corporate Sector Authority, by their own admission, in the Imperial Handbook, and even the Han Solo and the Corporate Sector sourcebook for that matter. So, really, the Empire, at most, is authoritarian.

On a side note, the Empire is NOT based on Nazi Germany, not primarily, anyways. It was actually based, per George Lucas and his close associates' own admission, on America during the Vietnam War. He DID model the uniforms after the Nazis to some degree, sure, but that's mostly because his generation tended to conflate conservatives with Nazis even when the Nazis if anything fell on the far left (same deal with the Nazi apparel in that Starship Troopers film made by Paul Verhoeven). On a side note, you guys ARE aware that George Lucas advocated for using government to tax the rich like the Nazis did, right? I definitely doubt he would have envisioned the Empire doing that since he envisioned them as the bad guys. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:57, 2 November 2018 (UTC)