Talk:Martian Manhunter

Sandman

Just a quick comment - I would love to see mention of his little cameo in The Sandman. I don't feel qualified to edit this article myself as I know nearly nothing about this character. -Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

my planned edits

• removal of in-universe perspective
• addition of details of his min-series from the 1980s - one was prestige format, the other was regular.
• rework of the sections headings to reflect publication history not fictional history.

Please jump in and help. Allemandtando (talk) 00:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Bounty Hunter?

When was MM ever a bounty hunter? He's listed in the category fictional bounty hunters but the article contains no references whatsover to this claim. I'm removing the category. Lokicarbis (talk) 01:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't either. It might be confusion based on the name.--Marhawkman (talk) 10:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

The confusion is likely based on the statements made in his early appearances in Smallville which implied he acted as a "hired gun" for Jor-el. Zozoz (talk) 07:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Not a bounty hunter, but a law-enforcement agent. Both he and his wife. When the fire that claimed his wife was just about to consume him (right before Dr, Elderman's eratz Zeta-Beam teleported him) J'onn Jo'onzz had confronted a crimmal thief in one of Mars sacred temples. No one has explained the nature of Green Martian society. I guess that it is partly structured on an egalitarian gender social order, out neccessity. Both J'onn and his wife were in the same profession, and were equal partners. That'swhy she was also present when the "disaster" happened. Here's an intriging question: Were the Martian Manhunters a guild of law enforcement in part inspired by, or loosely affiliated with the ancient pre-Lantern Corps Manhunters? 69.126.238.184 (talk) 07:58, 27 March 2011 (UTC)Veryverser — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.207.7.30 (talk)

Super Strength

Was J'onn as strong as superman?

There is a lot of debate about this. Some say he is as strong as superman, while others say he is stronger. I don't think a definite answer has ever been given. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.48.169.154 (talk) 05:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

In the early silver age both showed the same "super strength"... that is, enough to overcome the task at hand, without necessarily being consistent from story to story. In direct confrontations, the general rule SEEMS to have been Superman is somewhat stronger physically, but J'onn has more powers available to him.Zozoz (talk) 07:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Some information about his costumes? He seems to be the only major superhero regulArly drawn with nipples. in the animated movie, i see they put a shirt on him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.143.199.141 (talk) 04:25, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

His chronology

Shortly after wrapping up JJ's original solo series the article states, "His appearances with the [Justice] League kept him in the public eye long after his own series was cancelled....From the late 1960s until the late 1970s, J'onn was absent from the JLA, having left Earth to find and become leader of New Mars. This time period is later retconned during the Crisis on Infinite Earths, and his period of absence is never again referenced." Not so. A year after his HoM feature ended (#173, May-June 1968), J'onzz made his first appearance in JLA (#71, May 1969) in some time (since #61, March 1968), leaving Earth with the Martians who have finally come for him. After this, he made very sporadic appearances for over a decade. He teamed up with Superman while World's Finest Comics was temporarily Batman-less (#212, June 1972, Supes having been teleported to New Mars), appeared in one "100 Page Super-Spectacular" issue of JLA (#115, January-February 1975, returning to Earth via spaceship), had a three-issue miniseries in the back of Adventure Comics (#s 449, January-February to 451, May-June 1977) that led directly into a team-up with Supes and Bats in World's Finest (#245, June-July 1977), did another isolated guest shot in JLA (playing cosmic-level chess with Despero in #177, April & 178, May 1980), and permanently resurfaced via yet another appearance in JLA (#228, July 1984), shortly after which the book was severely revamped (the satellite HQ was destroyed, several [big name] members quit, Aquaman became chairman, JJ rejoined fulltime, brand-new members included the similarly enhanced son of Steel the Indestructible Man, and a break-dancer) (JLA #233, December 1984). I don't think I missed anything. Over the course of these appearances, things on New Mars were developed, up to giving J'onn a reason for staying on Earth and rejoining the JLA at the end. I am also unaware of any retconning away, via Crisis or any other method, of this period (other than it being said almost immediately upon Manhunter's return [and therefore before the Crisis] that "John Jones" had disappeared rather than been [seemingly] killed as actually depicted in J'onzz's last Detective story). Indeed, the early issues of the John Ostrander-written Martian Manhunter series (all I read of it because understanding the plot required more knowledge of what was going on concurrently in the League's own series than I had or wanted to get) seemed to deal with J'onzz's off-Earth period heavily, contradicting this assertion. I'd say this article needs a lot of help. --Tbrittreid (talk) 23:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC) UPDATE: --Tbrittreid (talk) 23:23, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Ma'alefa'ak

Isn't Ma'alefa'ak important have his own page? He killed almost of most all the green Martians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.71.251 (talk) 20:51, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Weakness No. 2

Shouldn't it be mentioned that, in his early appearances, a comet bewteen Earth and Mars removed his powers for 24 hours? -Golem866 (talk) 15:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

If, as it sounds, it was an isolated incident in one story and nothing further made of it, I'd say no. But that's just my vote. --Tbrittreid (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Again, the clumsy way J'onn's powers were defined during the Mort Weissenger era, in that Superman and J'onn were equals power wise was also a matter that J'onn J'onzz's powers were actually defined by his atomic structure being radically altered by Dr. Elderman's ersatz Zeta Beam, which was powered by Kyptonite crystals!!! J'onzz structure was then imbued with negative Kyrptonite (X). This gave him powers equal to Superman, and enhanced his natural Martian camouflage capability. (It should be noted also that since Green K-rays emanated from J'onn's body, this could give him an advantage over Superman making the Manhunter a latter-day "Kryptonite Kid"!!!) The problem was that after the first "Crises", Kyrptonite was rare on Earth, and the DC editors (and that means John Byrne, primarily,) never bothered to delve into whether Dr. Elderman obtained a piece of the Green K stone stuck in Kal-El's ship from the man who stole it, who would later create "Metallo". This of course was a maddening over-site. 69.126.238.184 (talk) 08:15, 27 March 2011 (UTC)Veryverser — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.207.7.30 (talk)

Foes

Shouldn't be a section about Martian Manhunter's foes like Ma'alefa'ak and the Human Flame? -Golem866 (talk) 14:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Check out Martian Manhunter#Rogues Gallery. Maybe you could make some corrections (you and it have very different spellings for the first you name) or additions (your second isn't there at all), or just polish the style a bit. --Tbrittreid (talk) 22:56, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Definitely needs polishing; parts of this section are written embarrassingly poorly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.75.130 (talk) 03:17, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Revealing his existence

One paragraph begins, "J'onn eventually reveals his existence to the world, after which he operates openly as a superhero and becomes a charter member of the Justice League." I remember reading in text somewhere that this happened because he encountered an extra-terrestrial villain's weapon that cost him the ability to use his wide range of Martian powers while invisible or in human form. It might have been in an article in DC's mid-70s fanzine, The Amazing World of DC Comics or the letter column of House of Mystery because a reader asked, but it was somewhere. Was this actually depicted in a comics story (if so, in what issue of what title, as it should be in the article) or just an after-the-fact editorial excuse to cover Julius Schwartz's incorrect depiction of him in JLA? --Tbrittreid (talk) 22:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

This story was a real one, published in Detective Comics #253, November 1959, titled "THE UNMASKING OF JʼONN JʼONZZ". A Martian criminal named Bʼrett comes to Earth, with the same powers as JʼOnn JʼOnzz except that Bʼrett does not turn invisible. It turns out that Bʼrett has been exposed to pellet of Formula Z6 given to Martian criminals "to rob them of their super-powers while invisible!" Bʼrett exposes JʼOnn to the pellet so that JʼOnn also no longer has any super-powers while invisible. JʼOnn blows a circle of burning leaves around Bʼrett which weakens him so that the police can place Bʼrett in a rocket to return him to Mars. From that point until the end of the series in Detective Comics and in House of Mystery JʼOnn JʼOnzz mostly operated openly.

In the House of Mystery series JʼOnn JʼOnzz also has no super-powers when he has taken on a human guise. No explanation is given. Jallan (talk) 00:12, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Fernus

I remember reading that he was an enemy of Martian Manhunter. WHo is he? -Golem866 (talk) 21:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the Martian Manhunter a Golden Age Superhero?

The introduction of the newer flash (Barry Allen) is generally considered the beginning of the silver age of comics. So wouldn't Martian Manhunter who predates Barry Allen by slightly over a year be considered a golden age superhero?

174.3.177.193 (talk) 04:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Not really - the Golden Age is rarely dated as this late and the Manhunter evolved into a core part of the Silver Age DC. At the time he began he was really just a science-fiction detective. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:58, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Asimov

Is there any connection between J'onn's name and the Martian John Bigman Jones from the Lucky Starr series? Omeganian (talk) 19:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit-warring on infobox

There is some conflict recently over whether to list all the different Justice League teams in the infobox, or to list just Justice League and let that cover all the various incarnations of the title. Thoughts? Aristophanes68 (talk) 23:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

These are different groups, so, in my opinion, we have to list all of them... Arussom (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Simple Question Unanswered

Why is he called a "Manhunter?" Is it of any relation to the Manhunters created by the Guardians of Oa (also in the DC Universe)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.50.206 (talk) 11:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

He is called a "manhunter" in the same sense as when Batman is called "the masked manhunter". It is simply another word for detective. His creation predates that of the Manhunters from GL and no connection has since been revealed (to my knowledge). --Khajidha (talk) 12:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Pronouncing of name

I am wondering what reliable sources we have on how to pronounce "J'onn J'onzz"

I know recently in Supergirl (TV series) when he (actor David Harewood) first says it in "Human for a Day", it just sounds like him saying "I am John Jones". Possibly a bit softer on the first J like a jjjj than a Juh, if that makes any sense, like less of a sharp enunciation, but otherwise identical.

The foreword for the upcoming Mar 21 episode "Manhunter" confirms it is still spelled the traditional way: "J'onn J'onzz discloses the details of meeting..."

I am wondering at what other moments we have heard the name uttered in audio in canonical products. I would imagine in Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, possible The Batman or Brave and the Bold? Or maybe one of the JLA movies?

Is it always pronounced like John Jones? It just seems really odd for the alien spelling. When I read it in print I imagined something like "Ja-on-nh Ja-on-zz" like a very alien kind of pronunciation to necessitate the strange spelling. Why the apostrophies if there is no function difference between "Jon" and "J'on"?

I am wondering if we could compile all known examples (cite episode numbers and time point) and compare. If there are differences then we could put together a phonetics guide for the article to show the different ways it is pronounced. I just can't remember which episodes of the cartoon or moments in the film where/if this happens. If there was a way to consult transcripts that would be good.

One episode though I am not sure which one has Wonder Woman (actress Susan Eisenberg) say his first name after he appears as this old man and then turns into a red dragon, she says it right before she hugs him and it sounds a lot like it did when he introduced himself in Supergirl TV. Kind of a soft J like you would hear in Jean Claude Van Damme as opposed to Jean Gray. I'm not sure the technical term. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jean#French says pronunciation is ʒɑ̃ so I think the key on how to pronounced the J in J'onn is ʒ also know as Ezh or the tailed Z, or voiced palato-alveolar sibilant. It is also the sound in "treasure" or "precision" according to the article on it. I'll bring it up there as a possible example. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 09:03, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

My Planned Edits

I would like to add the Carl Lumby, the voice of Martian Manhunter in the Justice League Animated Series, also appears as a Martian on Supergirl, as J’onn J’onzz father, M’yrnn J’onzz SharonRae92 (talk) 19:58, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Misredirect

While reading the page on Miss Martian, I clicked on the hyperlink named "Green Martian" and was redirected here. Is there a page on the Green Martian race, and if there is, could someone please change the link? RealActualNoob (talk) 12:27, 27 August 2020 (UTC)