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Discussion for Today[edit]
- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_June_11
June 11[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Bond (string quartet)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: With subcategories only for the quartet's albums and their covers, the eponymous category is unnecessary per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving the Nizari Ismaili state[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. WP:MFN. Can't find other battles, so merging to wars seems the best option. NLeeuw (talk) 15:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Central March[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. Just delete, not useful for navigation. Main article Central March is already in both parents, and the only article Wadih al-Siqlabi is a biography that fits neither parent. NLeeuw (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Vassal rulers of the Umayyad Caliphate[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 2 P. WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Just delete. Whether someone was a "vassal" or not can be quite arbitrary, and neither of the parent cats really applies: these princes of Armenia were not "people from the Umayyad Caliphate" or part of its government. At most, they were part of its foreign relations. As the catdesc indicates, these were not 'caliphal-appointed governors', and therefore not part of the internal governance. NLeeuw (talk) 15:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Vassal rulers are easily distinguished by the fact that they bore princely rather than gubernatorial titles and were usually hereditary and at least somewhat autonomous. They are also clearly designated as such by modern scholarship. Armenia was very much part of the Umayyad Caliphate, just as much as the Khanate of Khiva was of the Russian Empire or the various Indian princes were of the British Raj. Constantine ✍ 16:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Ayyubid Sultanate[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Government of the Ayyubid Sultanate to Category:Ayyubid Sultanate; purging child cats
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Both child cats area already in Category:People from the Ayyubid Sultanate, and both articles could easily be put in parent Category:Ayyubid Sultanate (5 P, 2 of which are redirects). NLeeuw (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The category is part of a wider category family on governments of historical states. What exactly is the gain of deleting it and upmerging, that is enough to counterbalance the loss in categorization? There are likely even more articles already on WP that can be added there, and certainly still more that can be written, as the topic is under-represented. Constantine ✍ 16:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Samanid Empire[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 1 C. Just delete as a redundant layer, while manually moving Ispahsalar (only article) to Category:Samanid Empire; only child is already in Category:People from the Samanid Empire. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire (also Timurid, Ghaznavid, Aq Qoyunlu govts). NLeeuw (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Kingdom of Sardinia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. WP:MFN. There are many, many underpopulated (1 to 4 P) ambassador cats like this created in February–May 2024 by the same person. Others were created longer ago. NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The category is not arbitrary and has clearly room of expansion, as the Republic of Venice and the Kingdom of Sardinia overlapped by several centuries. If the category exists, articles will be added to it. If it is deleted, they won't; not many WP members are actively engaged in categorization. If a reader, like myself, is interested in the bilateral relations between Venice and specific other states, why should they go hunting in more generic categories? This equally applies to the other 'underpopulated categories' mentioned in the nomination. I really don't understand what the project gains from deletions like this. Constantine ✍ 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:SaarLorLux Open[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:SaarLorLux Open to Category:Hylo Open
- Nominator's rationale: Per the current article name Solidest (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, rename. --Florentyna (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Almohad Caliphate[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Government of the Almohad Caliphate to Category:People from the Almohad Caliphate
- Propose upmerging Category:Officials of the Almohad Caliphate to Category:People from the Almohad Caliphate
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layers. Category:Officials of the Almohad Caliphate is already in the target category, and Category:Almohad caliphs should also be, but isn't yet. Category:Governors of the Almohad Caliphate is the only subcat of Category:Officials of the Almohad Caliphate, and apart from Ibn Tufayl, it has no contents, so "Officials" is also a redundant layer. (I was able to populate Category:Governors of the Almohad Caliphate from 2 to 6 p, so no reason to upmerge that one yet). Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire (also Timurid, Ghaznavid, Aq Qoyunlu govts). NLeeuw (talk) 14:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Category:12th-century Almohad caliphs (4 P) and Category:13th-century Almohad caliphs (10 P) are probably best upmerged to Category:Almohad caliphs, and to Category:12th-century caliphs + Category:12th-century monarchs in Africa & Category:13th-century caliphs + Category:13th-century monarchs in Africa, respectively. A subdivision by century for a dynasty that lasted just under one century and a half tends not to aid navigation very much. But I suggest that for a follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 14:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Khwarazmian Empire[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Just delete as a redundant layer; only child is already in Category:People from the Khwarazmian Empire. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire (also Timurid, Ghaznavid, Aq Qoyunlu govts). NLeeuw (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:People by ethnic descent[edit]
- Propose merging Category:People of African descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of Asian descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of European descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of North American descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of Oceanian descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of South American descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are for people of different ethnic descents. There is nothing here specific to any particular continent. Additionally, the names might wrongly imply that this is the person's own ethnicity when, in reality, it refers to their ancestors' ethnicity. Aldij (talk) 12:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Auto racing teams[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Argentina to Category:Argentine auto racing teams
- Nominator's rationale: Most of these categories were speedily renamed to their current names in May 2023. Discussions at the Formula One WikiProject and the Motorsport WikiProject resolved that these speedy renames should be reversed because, unlike many other sporting teams, auto racing teams may compete all over the world and their national identity is defined by their racing licence and is not necessarily related to the location of their base of operations. Consider the current Formula One World Champions: Red Bull Racing - they are universally recognised as an Austrian team (they use an Austrian racing licence and when they win a race, the Austrian national anthem is played) but their base of operations is in England. The category rename in May 2023 moved the article from the accurate Category:Austrian auto racing teams to the inaccurate Category:Auto racing teams in Austria. DH85868993 (talk) 11:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete or merge, poorly populated stub category and we do not have any similar Pakistani province stub categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ancient tribes in Ukraine[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Ancient tribes in Ukraine to Category:Ancient peoples of Ukraine
- Nominator's rationale: 2 P, 0 C. WP:MFN Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 06:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gilgit-Baltistan history stubs[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Gilgit-Baltistan history stubs to Category:Pakistani history stubs (and perhaps also to Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs)
- Propose merging Category:Sindh history stubs to Category:Pakistani history stubs
- Nominator's rationale: merge, poorly populated stub categories and we usually do not have stub history categories by Pakistani province. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Events at the Amway Center[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I don't believe Wikipedia categorizes events by venue? Gjs238 (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Wikipedia does, in fact, categorize events by venue. Abhiramakella (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Abhiramakella: Category:Events by venue does not exist, so you need to be a bit more specific about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there is Category:Events at Allstate Arena. Abhiramakella (talk) 18:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Abhiramakella: Category:Events by venue does not exist, so you need to be a bit more specific about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Wikipedia does, in fact, categorize events by venue. Abhiramakella (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Abhiramakella: this tree does not go any further than Category:Events in Illinois by venue and is the work of a single editor. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per WP:TRIVIALCAT and in the spirit of WP:OCLOCATION, this category combines completely unrelated events. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per Marcocapelle. Gjs238 (talk) 12:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Galician films[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Galician films to Category:Galician-language films
- Nominator's rationale: Appears to be redundant? Gjs238 (talk) 15:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Irish films" is not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are several different categories (Category:Irish films by language). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Irish films" is not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are several different categories (Category:Irish films by language). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, articles are already in Category:Galician-language films if applicable, but it is not always applicable. Some of these films are Spanish-speaking. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete insofar there seems to be no intent to connect category to cogent production criteria pertaining the Galician regional film industry (possibly not easy for most Wikipedia users to crack at the subnational level anyways), but to a moot "Galician context", category is not really useful pursuant to the current existence of Category:Galician-language films and Category:Films set in Galicia (Spain).--Asqueladd (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose. Take Midsummer Dream it's a Galician film in English and Spanish (not to mention the fact that some films in Galician are not Galician films, just like many films in English are not English films or films in Tamil are not all made in Tamil Nadu). See Category:Catalan films, a very similar category, that exists and does not only contain films in Catalan. (But the category needs cleanup).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mushy Yank: per WP:OTHERSTUFF, Category:Catalan films should also be deleted because Category:Catalan-language films already exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- No. (and my !vote has nothing to do with the WP:ATA you mention, btw). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Mushy Yank. Only 4 out of 12 films in this category are only in Galician, or in both Galician and Spanish, according to their infoboxes: The Apostle (2012 film), Fire Will Come, Matria, The Rye Horn. The rest seem to be films "made in Galicia", but not "spoken in Galician". (Sidenote: this also means certain films in Category:Galician-language films should be Purged, since they are in Spanish and / or English, not Galician).
- At the moment I do not have an opinion on whether we should have categories for films by autonomous community of Spain, but assuming we will keep them, it is desirable that we make these catnames less ambiguous. The comparison with Catalan and Catalan-language films also shows this.
- We could develop a new convention like Films in Fooian (see the recent Songs in Fooian precedents) versus Films from Fooland (see the recent People from Fooland precedents), but such a decision would have broad implications for our current category structures. Nevertheless, given how often ambiguous adjectives like "Galician" lead to confusion, and recent precedents have developed solutions to avoid such confusion, this seems the best way forward. NLeeuw (talk) 10:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub[edit]
- Propose deleting Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:North American cricket ground stubs to ???
- Nominator's rationale: Used on only 3 articles. Merge the category to Category:North American sports venue stubs. Follow-up CfD to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_26#Category:North_American_sports_venue_stubs. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete template and merge category but to Category:Cricket ground stubs; do not also merge to the original North American target, as pages should all be within national sub-cats of that one. Implement by replacing stub link with {{Cricket-ground-stub}}. – Fayenatic London 09:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on FL's proposal?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Fayenatic london. As said, pages should mostly be directly in a country stub category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Circassia[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Circassia to Category:Circassians
- Nominator's rationale: This newly created uncategorized category seems redundant with Category:Circassians. Gjs238 (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Circassian history. We do not have that category yet and it nicely fits the current content of this category. If not renamed, then merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on renaming?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Gjs238: what do you think of the rename alternative? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Circassian history. --Aldij (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:This TV affiliates[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Network is now defunct Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if Mvcg66b3r can provide reliable sources for this claim. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean keep. But why delete. Being defunct isn't a reason to delete. We'd have to delete Category:Roman Empire, using that logic. Mason (talk) 23:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if Mvcg66b3r can provide reliable sources for this claim. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: Category:Roman Empire is an encyclopedically relevant topic for historians, Category:This TV affiliates is not comparable in that sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean keep Main article This TV does not say anywhere explicitly that the network is defunct, just that its website went down in May 2024. Secondly, this category has a main article, List of This TV affiliates, implying that this subject qualifies for a stand-alone page. Personally, I think that article is poorly sourced, and perhaps it should be AfD'd, which would open the way for a deletion of this category. But until that happens, I don't see a compelling reason to delete the category just yet. NLeeuw (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving ancient peoples[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Battles involving ancient peoples to Category:Battles of antiquity
- Nominator's rationale: merge, no clear distinction versus its parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Purge grandparent I think all children of Category:Battles involving ancient peoples should be Purged out of grandparent Category:Battles of antiquity, as they are already in Category:Battles involving ancient peoples. That category exists as part of the Category:Battles involving peoples tree, and to prevent overpopulation in Category:Battles of antiquity. The latter still needs to happen; in that sense nom has a good point. NLeeuw (talk) 23:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: Category:Battles of antiquity contains a hodgepodge of battles subcategories anyway: by empires, by dynasties, by a period, by a source. Why would we just keep peoples separate? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, as I argued, as a subcategory of Category:Battles involving peoples, and as a subcategory of Category:Battles of antiquity; (and as a subcategory of Category:Ancient peoples). If this is an unhelpful intersection, you might convince me it's better to upmerge. E.g. one problem with it that I have is that Category:Battles involving Germanic peoples may be considered "ancient" in the sense of the Germanic peoples being ancient, but it has subcategories like Category:Battles involving the Lombards and Category:Battles involving the Vikings on account of the Lombards and Vikings being "Germanic", even though especially the latter are not "ancient" at all, but wholly medieval (Vikings appear no earlier than the 8th century, see Viking Age). And as we confirmed last year, the scope of Category:Germanic people by century is "before 1200". So I'm thinking Germanic peoples should not be categorised as "ancient" if we allow them to be early and high medieval as well. But that's a problem that can be solved by simply purging Category:Battles involving Germanic peoples out of both the nominated and target category, and only including those subcategories that are exclusively "ancient". (Upmerging will not solve the issue.) Other than that, I regard the nominee as useful for navigation. NLeeuw (talk) 06:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wesley L. McDonald Distinguished Statesman and Stateswoman of Aviation Award[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Not even sure if this meets the criteria for a defining characteristic. Gjs238 (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on deletion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Gjs238 (talk) 12:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)