Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring

Glitch?

Not sure if this is technical issue, (either one time or on-going), but I had typed out comments and signed, and even previewed the report before submitting, but then only after did I notice that the comments & sig had disappearred. Posting this here to see if anyone else has experienced the same issue. - wolf 15:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Multiple user names

There's a user who is mildly obsessed with a wiki and has been consistently argumentative and domineering. They also have gotten in trouble for this before, so they're now using multiple user names (it's the exact same edits, only on this one wiki). They're reverting edits incessantly but use both names to get around 3RR. What should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medievalonion (talk • contribs) 20:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Medievalonion:, no using multiple accounts in the manner you describe is not allowed. I'm in the process of blocking the accounts now.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Done. Future reports can be made at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Specialkay12.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ponyo based on the historical use of one of the IPs and the naming overlap, this could be Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Priscilla 223. Just an FYI if you want to chase further. Izno (talk) 23:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Well well well, there's an exact match to one of the IPs in the CU log. I'll ask for a case merge. Cheers, Izno.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

thank you! Medievalonion (talk) 23:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

What to do if...

what do you do if the Administrator edits from a slanted point of view? how often does wiki ban its own admins? is there a appeal process to see if an Admin has become bias on topics? User99321652 (talk) 06:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Depends on the specifics. Raise it on their talkpage first. If that fails and it's an issue involving article content or regular editing conduct, raise it at the usual notice boards like WP:ANEW or follow the steps at somewhere like WP:NPOVD. If it's an issue about admin tool use, consider WP:AN or WP:ANI, or ultimately Arbcom. As with any other editing dispute you will need evidence to back up your complaint. Mildly, you might also have a better chance if you're not using a throwaway account like the one you've posted your question here with. But up to you. -- Euryalus (talk) 06:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Should I reply if I've been reported?

Is it appropriate/helpful for a reported user to reply to the report? I don't want to start an argument here or create more work for whoever is reviewing the report, but I would speak in my own defense if that's expected. Carleas (talk) 15:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

You may, but it rarely affects at least my personal evaluation. Most times, those responding to reports engage in unhelpful tu quoque argumentation, which would apparently not be different in your case and doesn't justify your own behavior. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Am I in 3RR

Just wanted to clarify if I am in the domain of editwarring in Ram Mandir. I am one of the lead editors and have made reverts per policies and have warned constant disruptors regarding editwarring. Wanted to know if I myself am in that domain, or not. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I'm not sure what you mean by 'lead editor,' but this is a content dispute and you have 4 reverts in less than 24 hours. --Onorem (talk) 11:11, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Alright. Noted. By lead editor, I mean primary contributor. (Yes, I am aware of WP:OWN). I'll take a cooldown time then. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Edit war or revert restriction noticeboard?

Hello. I was wondering if this noticeboard is exclusively to report violations of revert restrictions such as 3rr or also to report general edit warring, which may not necessarily violate a revert restriction? Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 22:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I believe it's exclusively revert restriction violations; I've seen cases where 3RR or 1RR hadn't been breached and no action was taken on those. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Heh, you've led a sheltered life. The noticeboard is for reporting edit-warring, even if there is no violation of 3RR. Whether the reported editor will be sanctioned depends on many factors.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Hehehe. Well, I just came out of a block, although not for edit warring. When I first read the 3RR policy I thought 3 reverts was a violation, so I have stuck to 2 reverts maximum. And personally, I try to do only 1 revert maximum. Although sometimes I do 2. Btw, can you check out the situation in Zoroastrianism? I have tried mediating in the talk page but I think there may be some borderline edit warring going on. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 04:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

BLP 3RR question

I made this revert (to a 1RR page) with explicit reference to WP:3RRNO, number 7, citing NPOV concerns and poor sourcing of WP:BLP material. The editor who re-removed the material, Springee, has insisted[1], repeatedly [2], that 3RRNO does not apply to this situation, presumably because of his belief expressed at the article Talk page that WP:BLPRESTORE and 3RRBLP are not relevant in such instances: "As there is no harm concern the BLP concern goes away".

To me, this is a policy issue more than anything, and the existing policy language states that good-faith objections to content based on poor sourcing or NPOV concerns are sufficient to invoke BLPRESTORE. However, since Springee insists that the matter be discussed here or at AE, I would like to see what others think. By the way, the article Talk page discusion about this content, which I initiated prior to the revert in question, is here. Newimpartial (talk) 18:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Newimpartial, I think you violated both the rule and the spirt if 3RRNO.7. First, you should have started by going to the talk page and see if the content was being actively discussed. The fact that is was and had been for a few days and the fact that the material had been stable in the article for quite some time would suggest that the material is not inherently a BLP issue and thus the exemption doesn't apply. The BLP exception clearly applies if the material in an article is contentious or worse, slanderous with respect to the article subject. However, the talk page discussions over the previous few days made it clear that wasn't the case. Additionally, while editors generally agreed improvements could be made, there was no consensus for removal. The good faith concern you raised is not wholly without merit. You did reverse your first revert when made aware of the 1RR restriction. However, shortly there after reversing and removing the material again is reckless even if your intent was good faith. Once objections were raised you should have self reverted then asked vs repeat the 1RR violation. Springee (talk) 19:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

While, like Springee, I am involved in this edit dispute I would say that WP:3RRNO, number 7, does appear to provide this exemption. Furthermore, as additional context, this is a passage that has been disputed by multiple editors on BLP and NPOV grounds over the last three days. I do think that Newimpartial's actions are in keeping with both the letter and the spirit of the WP:BLP exception to WP:3RR. Simonm223 (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

What part of a list of areas of research, cited to Research Gate (and recently removed citations?) makes this a contentious claim where BLP concerns would apply? NPOV speaks to weight for inclusion, not BLP protection type concerns. As a point of reference, yours was the original BOLD removal of the material in question. Springee (talk) 19:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

My justification for removal under those policies is already thoroughly explicated at Talk:Jordan Peterson - there is absolutely no benefit to rehashing that argument here. Simonm223 (talk) 19:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Springee. Can you cite any policy language to support your contention that 3RRBLP doesn't apply to material if it is already being discussed at the article Talk page? I have read WP:3RRNO and WP:BLPRESTORE repeatedly (over the years, and just now) and have never seen any reason to exclude material from 3RRBLP and exempt it from BLPRESTORE simply because it is under discussion. But I might have missed something.

Also, please note that BLPRESTORE quite clearly requires affirmative consensus for the inclusion of the material, not for its removal. At present there is no consensus on Talk for inclusion, though there may soon be consensus for a new version citing better sources. The fact is that once you reverted the material back in, in violation of BLPRESTORE, I asked you to self-revert[3] and you refused[4]. I only made the second revert after your refusal to respect BLPRESTORE.

I do hope that this discussion, whatever its outcome, will clarify the scope of 3RRBLP and BLP restore (which seem to be broadly in alignment already) to your satisfaction. I will also ping North8000, who reverted the removal of this material by Simonm223, and Valjean, who reverted North8000's re-insertion. I believe that brings in all participants in the chain of reverts under discussion.Newimpartial (talk) 19:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hopefully we can discuss this without getting into the weeds on the dispute that generated it. I'm of the mind that unsourced or poorly sourced content in BLPs is covered by the exemption whether the material is overly positive or overly negative. The BLP policy itself emphasizes repeatedly that both types should be removed immediately.

I'm not sure if Springee is suggesting factors applicable generally or just to this specific case, but I don't think age of content or ongoing discussion should be factors in determining whether immediate removal is needed. Of course, if the ongoing discussion entails clear consensus for inclusion, then BLPRESTORE has been met, and removal on BLP grounds would be disruptive, and the 3RR/1RR exception would not apply. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)