Talk:Love It to Death

Hard rock?? Heavy metal???

Love it to death, Killer, Schools out, Billion dollar babies, Muscle of love and Welcome to my nightmare are all glam rock. Why the hell there is no glam rock on those albums genre? And then there is "hard rock" and "heavy metal"...Why?!? Everyone knows that Cooper's hard rock/heavy metal period started on Constrictor. He has said it even himself. Do something!!!

http://www.doremi.co.uk/glam/1972.html

Non-notable links cannot be used as references. All of Alice Cooper's listed genres are properly cited, verifiable and musically valid. He was called heavy metal before anyone really knew what heavy metal was. And has been one of the genres main spokespeople in every TV/Movie documentary ever made about the genre. To say that he isn't would be incorrect and invalid POV. 156.34.142.110 17:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

the why & wherefore

This article, and the album's mention on the controversial album art (or whatever it's currently titled) page, suggest that the reason the LP picture was altered was to remove Alice giving the finger but I'm afraid you kids & teens have been misinformed somewhere and are passing along another erroneous assumption here on yet another Wikipedia topic (not unlike how confused so many of you are about when heavy metal came into existence). The record company censored the cover due to some morons imagining that Alice's manhood was sticking out of his open fly and making a stink about that in the press. Rather than the record label pointing out how stupid that idea was, they knuckled under to the imbecilic complaint and revised the cover. (Yes, I have seen the original, as well as the replacement.) Though I dare say they were happy with how much free publicity this got for the (deserving) LP. IanHistor (talk) 23:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

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Dunaway's bass?

Can anyone find a reliable source for this? Dunaway had a Gibson EB-0 that he painted green and put mirrors on called "the Frog", but googling around it sounds like he used a Fender Jazz in the studio. Can anyone confirm or refute this? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Love It to Death/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Retrohead (talk · contribs) 18:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Glad to review an article I'm interested in. General note, the track listing and other tables/schemes should be preceded by the prose per WP:MOS-ALBUM#Article body.--Retrohead (talk) 18:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking this. I've reordered the sections. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

• Vincent Furnier should be linked in the first mentioning in the 'Background'.
  • Done. (I think I want to keep the duplink later at "Cooper went solo", though; I don't think it's clear they link to hte same thing. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• You think during is more suitable than "While at the "?
  • I think "during" would imply that it happened while the performances were actually happening; whether Gordon contacted Richardson during the performances is not clear from the sources. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• Hard rock songs sounds more encyclopedic than "hard-rocking songs". (second paragraph of 'Recording and production')
  • Done. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• rather than the following–the seems extra
  • Oops. Fixed. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• Can you drop Rolling Stone from the table since its favorable review is mentioned in the prose and lose the Christgau grade from the prose because it is present in the table? Or on the other hand, you can lose the entire table and state the marks in the prose. I'm vying for the second.
  • I've actually dropped the table entirely, because it was causing formatting problems. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• Kim Gordon's image kind of ruins the aesthetics of the page with all that blank space between the 'Legacy' and the track listing. Having essays titled after an album track is not "reasonable" enough to warrant an illustration. If you ask me, in some way it contradicts the other pictures which are all black-and-white.
  • It wasn't just an essay, though; the book title was Is It My Body as well, and Sonic Youth covered the song with Gordon on vocals. I've commented out the image for now; hopeful something new will happen to fill in that section more so I can add the image back without all the white space. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• The prose and comprehensiveness of this article are worlds above the other good article from Alce Cooper's albums–Billion Dollar Babies. Great job on this one! I'll return tomorrow to check the sound files, images, and references, but I doubt we'll have problems with those.
  • Thanks! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• Images are under free license, and the use of the cover art is properly justified. Sound quality and duration is according to the song's length and WP:SAMPLE. You might add a "Db-f1" template at the top of File:Alice Cooper I'm Eighteen.ogg for admins to delete the old version which is not used.
  • Done. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:03, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• I'm sure it's not something that will be disputed, but it's common practice to have an information where the personnel is taken from (booklet, Allmusic, etc.)
  • Okay, I've added a ref to AllMusic. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:03, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• About the cover, was it modified on the reissues? The caption from the infobox suggests so.
  • Yes---this is discussed in the third paragraph of the "Release and reception" section, which talks about censored versions (there were also other modified versions of the covers, such as ones that declared "I'm Eighteen" was on the album, but I didn't think that was worth mentioning). Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:03, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
    • I've altered the caption to "Original, uncensored album cover". Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• I haven't found irregularities at the references either. The majority of them are books and magazine articles, which are acceptable even under FA.
• Regarding the cover, my idea was to omit the description since we don't have the censored art.
• Okay, since the page meets the GA criteria, I'm ready to pass it. Apologies if you expected more constructive notes, but as far as the criteria go, this article is well beyond them.--Retrohead (talk) 10:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Recent edit

Still have this on my watchlist as I reviewed for FAC... Not sure about the expression "took influence from" -- was anything really wrong with the more conventional "was influenced by"? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

• You're right—I've reverted. Probably shouldn't be copyediting on three hours sleep, but some of the prose has been bothering me for a while—particularly the second sentence, but every attempt I've made at rewriting it has been garbage. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:42, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

The Ballad of Dwight Fry in Dark Shadows

Should the use of the song "The Ballad of Dwight Fry" in the 2012 cinematic remake of "Dark Shadows," where Chloë Grace Moretz imitates the little girl in the intro be added to this be mentioned? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Release date? What the sources say

What was the release date of the album? Sources are not in agreement. The earliest versions of this article say 1971, then February 1971.

(Someone in Nashville using the IP range Special:Contributions/2600:1700:5D53:260:0:0:0:0/64 has been changing the dates on various albums, using less reliable sources such as a blog and rateyourmusic.[1])

• March 8: The FA version of the article in 2015 said the release date was March 8, 1971, cited to page 27 in the Sherman book, The Illustrated Collector's Guide to Alice Cooper, ISBN 978-1-894959-93-3. In early April 1971, Billboard said the album had been released "several weeks" previously, but they had to be recalled because the record company name was spelled wrong.[2] The time frame agrees with early March, but the source also says this is the second time the album was pulled from shelves. An earlier release is implied. The first time March 8 was stated in the article was in December 2014 when Curly Turkey was working the article up to GA level.[3]

• February 1: The RIAA certification page says Feb 1.[4] This reference should be cited in the article for Gold and Platinum dates.

• January: The All Music Guide to Rock printed January 1971 as the release date.[5] This book was printed in 2002, so it's not influenced by Wikipedia. The AllMusic website continues this date.[6] A supporting source is Marky Ramone writing in his book about how his album Dust was released in January 1971, followed shortly by Love It to Death, "released just after ours..."[7] This statement could also support an early Feb release.

• January 12: Classic Rock Review. This is essentially a self-published blog on the Wordpress platform, posted with a 2011 date. The writer could have picked up this date from Wikipedia, for instance this version of the article from 2008 in which January 12 was added without a citation. I just so happens that Wikipedia said January 12 right before this person posted their review.[8] (See circular reporting.)

I think we should go with RIAA's date, unless somebody can quote me what Dale Sherman says in the cited book. Lots of authors confuse first chart entry date with release date. Binksternet (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)