Talk:Geography of Ireland

Redirect

This page should not be a redirect to Geography of the Republic of Ireland, but should discuss the geography of the whole island, or at least link to pages discussing that point. That is the way the link is referenced at Ireland. --Kwekubo 23:24, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I started a todo list, mostly reflecting my (amateur) interest in geology. Filiocht 13:41, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Length of the Shannon

The Severn is longer than the Shannon and the Bristol Channel is the severn estuary. I hope the people who corrected this back to the Shannon being the longest river in the British Isles realise that they may be damning generations of people in pub quizzes and other trivial pursuits! Loxley 12:02, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That is an interesting comment as there seems to be a contention on the web that the Shannon is 240mi long, whereas the Severn is 220mi. There are various other measurements cited in between. What are your figures and sources?

Wikipedia itself has the Shannon at 161 miles and the Severn at 220 miles. Estuaries are not normally included in the length of rivers, for instance the Severn estuary starts at Chepstow and ends where? No one can say but probably 100-200 miles along the Bristol Channel so the Severn is at least 320 miles long and the Thames 300 miles - but of course, we do not include estuaries in the length of rivers. SeeSevern Way Footpath which has a measured path to the beginning of the estuary or Department of Environment. But search google for longest river in British Isles and the Shannon plus estuary is usually used for comparison with Severn without.. You may well ask why I have bothered with this - I don't know myself really! Loxley 15:13, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Climate and political geography

This article is looking good, but I think it needs more on both climate and political geography, particularly the latter. —Rory ☺ 16:39, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

I've tried to address these points. What do you think now? Filiocht 11:27, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Excellent work. —Rory ☺ 11:36, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)

I'm going to put this on WP:FAC today. Filiocht 12:07, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Request lead section expansion

I'd like to put this on the main page, but first, could someone fix up the introduction? As per news style, It should use the term "geography of ireland" in the first sentence and describe what that geography is in general. I'd also like someone to add an extra paragraph or two to the lead. →Raul654 18:21, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

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By request, this article will be featured on the main page on March 17 (St. Patrick's day). →Raul654 07:24, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

The introduction may have been improved, but I think that the first sentence could stand a little more improvement. It currently reads The geography of Ireland reflects its situation as an island in northwest Europe in the north Atlantic Ocean. Is the phrase "...reflects its situation..." really the best we can do? I don't want to edit this right now as it is a featured article right now. I'll try to remember to do it tomorrow unless there is objection. --Amoore 08:30, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)

Do the WikiRules allow the title to be split in the first sentence, such as "Ireland is an island in the North Atlantic with a geography ..."? shoaler 13:42, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think that I may see the point, that the geography of Ireland reflects Ireland's situation as an "island" or somesuch. Perhaps it may be useful to try to keep this literary construction, though I'm not too sure how. --Amoore 22:10, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)

Such splits can be done, but in this case bold text is not used. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 00:16, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Terranes

Why no mention of terranes that Ireland is theorised to be formed of?

"Irish Channel"

I've just started a disambiguation page at the formerly blank Irish Channel article, mostly for the neighborhood in my home town of New Orleans, Irish Channel, New Orleans. I fear I'm not sure what the other usage of the term "Irish Channel" in some articles refers to; if it is the Irish Sea in general, the North Channel, St. George's Channel, or what. I took a guess from context (look at "what links here" from Irish Channel) that it's the first, but correction/expansion or confirmation/denial would be very welcome. Thank you, -- Infrogmation 17:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Geology of Ireland (July 2006)

Does anybody have a non-copyright geological map of Ireland? Either for a new Geology of Ireland article or at least to even up Geology of the British Isles.--Red King 19:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

British Isles

I don't see a reference to the fact that Ireland is the second largest island in the British Isles. Has this statement previously appeared and been deleted? Arcturus 14:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

It isn't the second largest island in the British Isles, however it is the second largest island in the archipelago containing Great Britain and Ireland. Iolar Iontach 20:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

References

I don't want to blunder in changing anything prematurely - I'm just wondering if people think are the references up to par with current FA practices? I'm not sure how 1911 or CIA factbook based articles should be best handled? Cheers SeanMack

Contour map?

I was wondering if a contour map of Ireland was available. I'd like to see what shape things will be in if the sea level rises 6m. Ghoulish, perhaps, but interesting. -- Evertype·✆ 09:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Area of Ireland

In Wikipedia I found the following values of the area of the island: 84,079 km² Geography of Ireland, 81,638 List of islands by area, 84,412 Ireland, 84,406 British Isles. Can one tell me which of them is correct, if any? 89.76.162.136 09:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC) A curious reader from abroad.

Geological development confusion

In the Geological development section the fifth paragraph says between 400 million and 300 million years ago the landmass of Ireland was with northwestern Europe, and in the next paragraph says 250 million years ago it was at the latitude of Egypt. Was the rest of Europe at the same latitude? And had it been around the same latitude of Ireland? I understand this article is not about the formation of Europe or even the archipelago which Ireland is now a part of, but since it is referred to in the fifth paragraph, I think some statements about how its formation was similar or different from its surrounding islands throughout the section would be useful. abexy 19:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

National Parks?

Should there be a section about the National parks, Conservation Sites, etc? Thanks ww2censor (talk) 05:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Name of state

Yet more revert / rerevert on the name issue. But the latest here is one of the trickier cases, as it is an exception to the usual rule of Republic of Ireland |Ireland adopted under IMOS. Could this be sorted out for once and all. Getting old... SeoR (talk) 08:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The current text Politically the island consists of the state Ireland and the UK constituent country Northern Ireland is correct and accurate with fully functioning wikilinks, as it uses the proper title with appropriate classifications. The constitutional name is "Ireland" and the wiki article is named "Republic of Ireland" because "Ireland" is the title of the island article. If you refer to "Republic of Ireland" you cannot classifiy that as a "state" and any geographical article should tell what states are encompassed by the geographical territory of the article. Referring to the state by its constitutional description here is just wrong. Sorry ONIH, Red King's revert is correct on this one. ww2censor (talk) 15:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I propose updated text for that section:

"Politically, the island consists of the country of Ireland, a republic with jurisdiction over ..." Cashew.wheel (talk) 09:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Very obscure sentence

"Great coral reefs formed in these waters, eventually creating the limestone that still makes up about 65 per cent of the rock mantle of the island."

Whatever the author of this meant by the word "mantle", the meaning is a different meaning to that of the wikilinked article about the "mantle" layer of the earth's interior. No limestone there. Eregli bob (talk) 14:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Geology of Ireland (Aug 2009)

"Geology of Ireland" redirects here, but it really doesn't say much about the geology. It mentions Giant's Causeway once and does not mention Fingal's Cave at all. I think that either the article should say a lot more about the geology, or a new article should be made. --The High Fin Sperm Whale (talk) 21:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed addition of British Isles

Proposals have been put forward here to add various references to British Isles to this and other related articles. --Snowded ^TALK 13:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

This is a featured article. Yet for some reason it is missing geographical information about the fact Ireland is part of the British Isles. There was recent agreement to add British Isles to the Geography section of the Ireland article. As that section should basically a summary of this article, British Isles should be added to the text of this article, and probably the lead too. if there is no debate here within the next 48 hours i will be making the additions. This matter has been mentioned above over a month ago, and there have been no direct objects about changes to this article. BritishWatcher (talk) 10:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

As you well know, this is controversial, there is a task group on it. Please don't jump the gun. --Red King (talk) 22:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

This was raised on the taskforce page over a month ago, as you can see by snowdeds post above and there was not clear opposition to the proposals for this page, concern was made over inclusion on ROI.. which weve accepted by not including it there and not including it in the infobox of Ireland. The agreement on Ireland to include BI within the geography section there also showed support for BIs inclusion on this page and possibly in the lead. Without a doubt it belongs within the text, but as its on the main Ireland page and geographic location of the geography of Ireland is rather important... it should be in the introduction. BritishWatcher (talk) 22:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

why in the name of dodge is this stupid colonial era language of Britishisles liberally pasted over every single article to do with Ireland? Not only is it inaccurate and confusing to most people but as a term has absolutely no official standing whatsoever. 51.37.20.61 (talk) 09:15, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Because it is still about geography and not about statehood. The Banner talk 10:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

By all means, add'em. GoodDay (talk) 22:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks GoodDay. BritishWatcher (talk) 22:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I also notice that when this was originally given featured article status in 2004, it had British Isles in the introduction. BritishWatcher (talk) 22:27, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I will be making the addition tomorrow if there is no more concerns about this. BritishWatcher (talk) 21:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Well i waited another 5 days despite saying id insert it days ago. I have added the wording used in the Ireland article and put it in the introduction. I was going to add it to the text of the article, but at present its rather difficult to see where it would belong. So that change will do for now. BritishWatcher (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Connections to Great Britain and European mainland

Based on [1] and [2] it appears that within the past 50,000 years, Ireland has been connected to Great Britain and the European mainland rather than being an island the entire time. This has apparently been very important to human migration and should be covered in this article and possibly also Doggerland, which is not mentioned here. -- Beland (talk) 21:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Dead links

Is anyone else keeping an eye on the citations? I fixed all I could find and replaced a few but Checklinks still finds a few problems. ww2censor (talk) 19:49, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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Inlets

The Cork/Kerry border runs (mostly) along the rugged spine of the Beara Peninsula on the northern side of Bantry Bay. Thus Bantry, Dunmanus, and Roaringwater Bays are in (west) Cork, rather than Kerry. Being (brand spanking) new here, I would propose that someone more experienced make the change. EoinValentine (talk) 23:08, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

On why this article might be stripped its "featured" status

I am surprized this article is a "featured" one. When I read it found I full of strong unsrouced assertions. Weeks ago a tagged many parts of the article that lack references. I hope somebody with knowledge and interests in Ireland can fix these, if this does not happen I am afraid the article must be taken to Wikipedia:Featured article review. —Lappspira (talk) 10:31, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Do you ever think that you should WP:SOFIXIT? Driveby tagging and expecting immediate results plus making threats of a WP:FAR is not the way to get cooperative improvements. BTW, I'm pretty sure there are FAs with worse problems and fewer citations. I suggest you talk to SandyGeorgia before going down that route and also seeing the articles that are currently under FAR for valid reasons to bring it there. ww2censor (talk) 15:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Geology of Ireland (Feb 2016)

It seems that someone did create this separate page but the information there and here was word duplicated but both lacked citations - I added some and then realised the duplication. I have moved all the content to that page and will finish what citations I can find. However I'm not certain of the idea of a heading "Geology of Ireland" which then points to a new subsection with no other wording so if you have any ideas just go for it. 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 03:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

This is a featured article and you have just stripped away a complete section without and discussion first. Indeed User:Lappspira made a WP:CONTENTFORK on another page back in 2015 without leaving behind sufficient information in terms of a summary to give readers a good overview of that topic section per WP:SPINOUT and then replaced it while still leaving the duplicate content fork page. I noted his removal and he retaliated by suggesting the article was not up to FS standard and should be demoted but made no real attempt to fix the issues he claimed. However, I did added some new citations around that time. As a featured article it should encompass the main topic as completely as possible and I am sure one could make a case for moving other sections too but I don't think any one section is too detailed to require splitting. There are several points in Wikipedia:Splitting I think apply here. As this is an FA, such a split should really be discussed on the talk page first. Certainly a summary must be left behind which neither Lappspira nor you have done - of course this can be fixed. I'm not sure the main article is really too long and too detailed for this section to be split off and I think it will leave a big hole in the article which may jeopardise its status. In fact I was considering nominating the duplicate page for deletion because it is a duplicate.

Personally I think you should follow WP:CORRECTSPLIT so a consensus can be determined by a wider number of editors. ww2censor (talk) 11:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

OK- I will copy both sections back - it just seemed odd to have a complete word perfect duplicate page (which therefore also suffered from lack of citations. I'll read up on WP:CORRECTSPLIT and follow up. 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 12:39, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

The content of the Geology of Ireland article is currently mostly a copy of the geology section of the Geography of Ireland article. I think the Geology of Ireland article was expanded by User:Lappspira as part of an ongoing task to improve the geological coverage of parts of Europe that are listed in the Template:Geology of Europe. The Geology of Ireland article corresponds to the "Ireland (island)" entry in the template. User:Lappspira did not make further edits to the pasted text at Geology of Ireland because this user is not a specialist in the geology of Ireland and I suspect that this user reasonably expects specialists to edit the article eventually. The most appropriate place in Wikipedia for detailed descriptions of the geology of an area is in "Geology of ..." articles, not "Geography of ..." articles. Therefore, I want the Geology of Ireland article to be kept, not deleted. I suggest that the geology section of the Geography of Ireland article should be shortened to a brief summary, which should include a Main article:Geology of Ireland wikilink to direct readers to the detailed description of the geology in the Geology of Ireland article. GeoWriter (talk) 16:21, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Seems sensible to me- I am not an geography or geology expert though so writing the few lines to leave in the geography article will take me a while to get to unless someone else is up for writing it and then putting in the tags. 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 16:42, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

I have not been very active the last months GeoWriter has interpreted me right. Geography and geology are two different fields and the text of Geology of Ireland is far too detailed (yet incomplete) to be part of a geography article. It is best left in the article for future expansion. Lappspira (talk) 14:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

You should find that it has been completed though if you can write a better section to leave here please do. I still have to write one for the climate section and move the content over there for the same reason. This is not an area I am comfortable with but I thought it needed to be done. 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 14:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Splits proposed

Having trouble with the tag - working on it here a minute 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 13:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Geology of Ireland (split)

The section on Geology of Ireland is now a complete duplicate of the page Geology of Ireland which I noticed when I went adding citations. Either the section here should be split (properly) or the other page should be deleted. I (honestly) would go for deleting the other page as it isn't that long to keep within the page on the Geography of Ireland - but it could be considered a different topic and thus requiring its own page. Either way, one section/page should be removed as it causes potential errors in maintenance.

Right - I've made the edit - added some text and removed the duplication. Let me know what you think as, like I say, it's not my specialist area so I'm winging it. 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 00:29, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Looks fine, though I wonder if the beginning of the second paragraph requires a citation or two unless the citation further down covers it. Geology of Ireland needs a lede section to summarise the rest of the article and might even need one or two more sections. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 11:36, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. I'll double check the ref. I think it did cover it all. And look at the lede this evening 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 13:01, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I think the paraghraph should be ok with that citation though if anyone changes or adds to it I won't object. I added a lede to the other page. Let me know if it's ok.. 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 17:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Climate of Ireland

The section on Climate is different. The section here is a smaller version of the section on the main climate page. However the two pages contained almost identical paragraphs and were missing citations on each. Now the opening paragraph is the same (which can be undone). The page on Climate of Ireland is much longer than in Geography and I believe does need to be a whole page. However I wonder if the section here therefore should be significantly shorter as a result or should I put it back to where it was when I started?

Apologies for confusion - I didn't think of searching for split and since the pages existed I thought eliminating the duplication was the best option. I am failing to get the tag to be fancy and be more clear so I used the simpler one.I will also put the notification on the talk pages of the other 2 pages concerned 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 13:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

So long as a few suitable paragraphs remain in the main article that are a decent synopsis of the split off article. The summary does not need to be identical to any paragraphs in the split. I think that will work but if maybe you can make sure that sufficient citations remain it should not be too detrimental to the article's featured article status. ww2censor (talk) 22:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha. I'll wait a while for any other comments and I'll try a solution then. 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 23:12, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

From the Talk:Climate of Ireland: "I would have thought it should be a summary of the Climate page with {{main}} template at the beginning pointing here. CalzGuy (talk) 16:18, 4 February 2016 (UTC) The climate tables should definitely be over here CalzGuy (talk) 16:20, 4 February 2016 (UTC)"

Just to clarify the general comments on the two sections suggest putting a paragraph in this article and moving the main content to the other two articles. Is that correct? 🍺 Antiqueight ^chat 16:57, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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Number of counties with one local government

"21 of the counties in the republic are units of local government. The other six have more than one local council area" - this adds up to 27 counties, not 26. – Alensha ^talk 23:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

FAR listing?

I am sure we all agree that this article needs some tender loving care to say it's still an FA article. Was thinking of working on see if can take care of it before the someone list the foe demotion.--Moxy (talk) 16:14, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

The article has quite a lot of unsourced material and also doesn't really explain the current geological aspects Bumbubookworm (talk) 11:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I agree that this article still needs some updates. I see numerous paragraphs without citations, some MOS:CURRENT issues, and I'd like to see some of the one-paragraph sections in the "Physical geography" section get an expansion, since the article has lots of room for expansion. @Moxy and Bumbubookworm: would either one of you be interested in fixing this up or bringing this to FAR? Z1720 (talk) 21:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I am in ....I like how Geography of Canada is setup. Moxy- 21:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I like Geo of Canada's set up, also. An advantage that Geo of Ireland has is that there is less geography than Canada (in terms of land mass and population) so it might be able to go into more detail about certain aspects than Canada's article. Z1720 (talk) 22:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@Moxy:Are you still interested in fixing up this article, or should it be listed at FAR? It seems like there is still unsourced material and sections that need to be updated. Z1720 (talk) 13:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

forgot about this....will look tonight. Moxy- 13:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Working on sources now. Moxy- 14:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Coastline

An IP editor changed the figure in the infobox without providing any supporting evidence, so I reverted. But the existing figure is uncited too. Can anyone provide a wp:RS? --Red King (talk) 11:44, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Info box figures

The figures given in the info box, for area, coastline, etc. Seem to be for the Republic of Ireland rather than the island of Ireland. I think this is an error as the article seems to be about the island not the state. 78.19.134.246 (talk) 22:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)