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Chinese equivalents[edit]

Are there articles in the Chinese Wikipedia on normal schools? Since the article mentions them, it would seem appropriate to link to them. Mateo SA 04:49, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

List[edit]

Should there be a list of (current or former) Normal Schools? — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

My $.02 says "no," as there are MANY of these schools. Madmaxmarchhare 16:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also see a move toward providing a paragraph or more on the establishment of Normal Schools in each region or State of the United Stated. I don't think that will add to the article, either, and I propose to remove the paragraphs of this sort that have accumulated already. Comments? Pzavon 02:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article isn't terribly long, and the paragraphs do add some historical context. Why don't we watch to make sure that they don't get bloated with boosterism at this point? Madmaxmarchhare 16:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ecole Normal[edit]

My French is atrophied, but I'm pretty sure Ecole Normal means "model school" comment posted 20 April 2007 by 192.18.41.196

Roughly, yes. However, the word was borrowed directly to a number of other languages, most notably to German. From German, the word normal school spread then to other languages along with the concept. (In 19th century, many notable pedagogicians were German.) --MPorciusCato 10:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No. First Normal School was Reims' 1685 School, long before German pedagogicians' rise to prominence. And école normale is "normal school", "model school" is école modèle. A norm (norme in french) isn't a model (modèle in french). 88.178.189.194 (talk) 11:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Merge with Teachers college[edit]

"Teachers college" and "normal school" are synonyms; some schools use one term and other schools use the other term. There is no difference in the concept, therefore the one article should discuss all schools that prepare students to become teachers. Neelix (talk) 17:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with this if Normal School is the surviving article. That term is the original term and the article itself is older and more extensive than the Teachers college article. Pzavon (talk) 00:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Pzavon's position that normal school should be the surviving article. The term "teachers college" was relatively short-lived since it was eventually displaced by the rise of the modern graduate school of education throughout the United States. --Coolcaesar (talk) 04:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I completed the merge. Otebig (talk) 15:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meaningless in UK - Wikipedia US-centric weakness[edit]

I edited the article earlier to indicate that there was no such thing as a 'Normal School' in the UK and that the phrase 'normal school' would be taken to mean that a school is normal, i.e. not abnormal or unusual.

I have worked in the Education sector in schools and universities for many years, but any ordinary citizen would verify the change I made as easily. However finding a 'source' for it might prove as difficult as finding a source for many statements that are so widely known that they rarely warrant comment.

Nevertheless, the 'follow our script if you don't now any better (and even if you do)' approach of Wikipedia provides the perfect platform for ignorant 'editors' to exercise 'power' within their little dominions.

A, presumably well-intentioned but rather ignorant, Wikipedia editor reverted my change because it was not 'referenced'. However, the same editor apparently saw no need for a reference to support the implicit implication of the converse - an implication much more in need of verification if it is to be (incorrectly) claimed as a blanket definition for the whole world.

Anyone living in the UK would confirm the voracity of my change. That it is unknown to a US editor is illustrative of the variability of quality of Wikipedia editors and, indeed, of widespread ignorance amongst them. Editors such as the one who reverted the change are clearly not the brightest pebbles in the pond and it is unfortunate that they wield such power over Wikipedia content, demeaning its quality as they do so.

Perhaps the same editor believes, on the back of the unreferenced and unchallenged information in this article, that 'Normal School' means the same on Mars or Jupiter or the Andromeda Galaxy as it does, apparently, in the Good Ol' U S Of A, Yessirree. Presumably, anyone who claimed it doesn't would have their change reverted until they provide definitive references from The Daily Martian Chronicle, or similar inter-stellar publications.

If it weren't so sad, it would be laughable that some Americans (of which I believe that only about 25% have ventured outside their own country), feel that anything they read in an American source is de facto correct.

Oh well, back to laughing at Dubbya's 'nucular', and all the Americans who produced an article in Wikipedia trying to demonstrate that he was correct, rather than just 'plain stoopid', as Americans would say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.0.167 (talk) 23:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly this rant adds little to the article. Americans know that the term has little meaning to those who have no analagous history of institutions. So, yes the article should have some US centric information as it directly relates to the US use of the term.Blanksamurai (talk) 12:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Improve this article[edit]

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Discussion is welcome.  O = M C 4  03:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would extend this toward those from abroad, that interest in this type of educational topic from regions beyond the U.S.A. are also part of this project on a global basis. Intend to multi-lingual through Meta-Babel, and improve projects on other Wikimedia Foundation Projects. O = M C 4  03:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Father Demia[edit]

Apparently this guy taught the first teacher training courses in Lyorn France in 1672. The subject was reading of the Catchecisms. I haven't been able to find out much more on him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.196.223.103 (talk) 18:32, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Split off new article on History of normal schools in the United States[edit]

The long section on US schools makes the article very long. The topic belongs in a separate article , where it can be expanded. Any objections to the split? Rjensen (talk) 05:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See the first draft at Normal schools in the United States Rjensen (talk) 00:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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