Talk:Teenybopper

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Alice's Restaurant[edit]

The 1969 Arlo Guthrie movie Alice's Restaurant has a scene suggesting that Teeny Boppers were underaged girls who would go around trying to sleep with multiple big name music acts. Collecting names and artifacts.

Teenybopper vs. Teeny Bopper[edit]

Both Teenybopper and Teeny Bopper are used within this article. We need to decide which to use and if it's Teeny Bopper then the page needs to be moved. They are both correct (as far as I know) but consistency would make sense. TheNad 08:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danman111111 (talk • contribs)

Jugend[edit]

Am i insane, if ive always heard this kinda music being dubbed "jugend"? I am from Canada ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freiheitsgedanke (talk • contribs) 10:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to provide some proof of this as "jugend" is a German word simply meaning "young" or "youth" and I have never heard it used in English language speech. Jugend and Jugendstil both redirect to Art Nouveau which is an international decorative style originally created and fashionable between 1890 to 1905. It was known as Jugendstil in German and took its name from a magazine called "Jugend".

If you can provide proof that "jugend" is now to understood to mean teenybopper in Canadian English then it can go in. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A quick search doesn't show that "jugend" is being used as a synomin of Teenybopper [1]. Maybe people on Canada just mix the concepts on informal use. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits[edit]

I was a bit surprised when I first encountered this article; it seemed to be a mixture of inaccuracy and speculation. After some research, it was clear that I was right on the first count; for example, no source that I could find (including those cited in the article) mentioned that it was a derogatory term, and the placing of it in the late 1960s is similarly incorrect (it seems to have first appeared in the 1950s, with occasional resurgences of use since). The stuff about why girls are more likely to be teenyboppers than boys is simply original research (to be polite). I've overhauled it, and tried to leave in nothing that can't be sourced. There's more to be done, and I'll try to get back to do it some time. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've also removed the reference to porn sites; first, there's no evidence that more than one porn site uses the term, but in any case, we surely aren't going to list all the types of publication/Web site that use the term? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised that you couldn't find any source for the derogatory side of it. I can't think of a single instance, whether from my lips or those of others, when it wasn't meant as a slight. Dismas|^(talk) 14:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you hadn't been so hasty to remove my references then you would have seen an excellent example. Oh well... too bad. At least I'm helping you in telling you what is right at your finger tips, but as for myself I feel like letting go this editing of the actual article. So I'll leave it up to you two and others to find and improve it. Mathmo ^Talk 15:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but the same could be said of "adolescent". That a term is popularly used derogatorily doesn't make it a derogatory term (I use "politician", "journalist", and "estate agent" as terms of abuse, but...). None of the sources mentioned any sort of derogatory aspect. I suspect any derogatory sense is the result of people's attitudes to hat it refers to. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck is going on with this page? The intro has been trolled with nonsense Blitterbug (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 10:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please help the Teen Pop section[edit]

Teen Pop is a really big genre and we need more help to improve it, particularly from young folk, because it does have subculture characteristics, also one that utilizes heavy marketing tactic, and reaps in large consolidated profits for large corporations. The Template will help a bit, but we need to consolidate the entire section, and maybe even start a portal for it so all of the editing can be centralized.--Xx kidschoice xx (talk) 20:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow[edit]

This article is pretty pathetic for its importance (opinion). I'll try to help next week when I have time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.72.25.210 (talk) 21:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism[edit]

The article needs to be rewritten because as it stands, it is heavily plagiarized/plagiaphrased from the Hall article listed in the references. This is against the Wikipedia's policies 82.170.227.121 (talk) 19:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Example:

Wikipedia article:

The difference that the 70s' "Teeny Bopper syndrome" had with prior idol phenomena was that these new teen idols were directed at even younger girls, down to 15 years old, who were too young to have heard The Beatles and were not attracted to the new hard rock music of the time that their elder siblings listened to.[3] This new market has a quick turnover potential and it boosted the benefits of many broadcasting companies.[3]

Hall book chapter:

...but what is significant about the Teeny Bopper syndrome of the 70's is that it was directed expressly at an even younger market i.e. ten - fifteen year old girls, too young even to have heard the Beatles, and who were certainly not turned on by the new heavy rock (ELP, Yes, Led Zeppeling or Deep Purple) which their elder brothers and sisters listened to so avidly. The attractiveness of this market with its quick turnover potential... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.170.227.121 (talk) 19:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The term "teenybopper" might have been coined, not invented[edit]

It is inaccurate that the term "teenybopper" was invented by marketing professionals and psychologists 
if there is no reliable source(s) to support this claim. At best, it would be okay to say that the term was
coined by marketing professionals and psychologists. The term might have been coined by marketing 
professionals and/or psychologists, so it will remain that way until someone can come up with a reliable 
source to prove otherwise.

This is just a notice. I am making the edit myself. --70.120.83.126 (talk) 09:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another inaccuracy, or a downright mistake: citation 3 for the New York Times is wrong. The paragraph (at the end) in the NYT article is referring to the term 'cool', originating in its use in the 50's, later used by 'teenyboppers'. It is the only use of the word in the article, which is not concerned with the word at all. JohndanR (talk) 03:52, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My first recollection of the term was its use by Phil Spector, circa 1967, in a documentary on the pop master. He used it in passing reference to 'the teenyboppers out by the pool': girls in the neighborhood he let hang out together at his sprawling estate. It stuck in my mind as a funny word, especially as it also made my father laugh when he heard it there also for the first time. The earliest written reference, according to Google ngram viewer/books is 1966, although the ngram line starts up around '62; this might reflect OCR errors. Given his talent and proclivity for music marketing and his associations in that sector, it would not surprise me if it had its origin as an informal demographic target-term, possibly even invented by himself. JohndanR (talk) 04:20, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Real psychology term or not?[edit]

Is it a real psychology term (as it is under the "psychology" section), or is it one more Urban dictionary term that made the confusion between Wikipedia and Urban dic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:FC79:2F04:E00:ADB2 (talk) 20:49, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, is not a term officially recognized within the modern discipline of psychology. Rather, it is a sort of pseudo terminology.4

Refrences[edit]

It is my opionion that this article relies on too few references to demonstrate a wider-held view of the subject matter, particularly within the psychology and sociology disciplines. Notably, other practitioners in the field may have conflicting views and therefore relying on the same citations repeatedly is suspicious in view of NPOV. However, I am going to leave off a hat note for now. 66.90.153.184 (talk) 06:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The 'Subcultural aspects' section is utterly bizarre and has nothing to do with teenybop.[edit]

It already has a template that "This section is written like a personal reflection, personal essay, or argumentative essay..." I don't even think the entire section is talking about the correct topic. It's talking about paying for club membership in groups of 4. It is talking about something completely different than teenybop. Because it's not even remotely on topic, the whole thing needs to be erased and redone. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:04, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it's totally plagiarized from a book, and most of the sentences taken word for word from the book do not have quotes around them. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]