Talk:Bobby Darin

"Driven by the inner urgency of a clock ticking away precious time"

Does this have some specific meaning with reference to Darrin's career choices, or is it just rhetorical fluff? If it's the former, it should be clarified. If the latter, it should be removed in the interests of NPOV and avoiding senselessly torrid prose. (I know nothing about Darin, or I would've removed it myself.) RadicalSubversiv E 07:30, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The reference is to his lifelong physical illness, beginning from infancy with rheumatic fever that weakend his heart and continuing through adulthood when he underwent two open-heart surgeries, the second of which killed him at age 37. Although stated dramatically, this idea is considered central to Darin's life, his drive to become a legend by age 25 (at which he succeeded), his worthwhile attempts at mastering many different musical forms, his urge late in life to have a more serious impact after the death of Robert Kennedy.

Today's Wall Street Journal has a story on Darin (and Kevin Spacey) which opens with virtually the same observation:

"Bobby Darin pursued stardom as if he would have to outrace death to get it."

So no, this phrase you question is not fluff, but refers to his drive to succeed, which influenced his career choices, Ortolan88 18:36, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC) PS – it's already in the article, isn't it?

Thanks for the info. Yes, that's the phrase used in the article, but I think it comes off sounding slightly ridiculous and doesn't actually communicate much in the way of information -- could it be clarified or expanded on in some way? RadicalSubversiv E 08:29, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In the interests of not being overly negative, I should say that the rest of the article is great. RadicalSubversiv E 08:36, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I realize this question has been laid to rest already, but let me add that various biographies and even the biopic have the attending doctor tell his mother (really grandmother) that the liklihood of him dying young was very high. His heart ailment, the result of a secondary infection, was really a serious one. The advice back then was to limit physical activity and exposure to infection. His obvious ferocious appetite for life may have been in defiance of this diagnosis or, an attempt to pack in as much living as possible.LiPollis 11:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

inappropriate -- and odd -- punctuation

What's with all of the quotation marks? Check out this passage from the article and explain to me why the words "insisted," "hard sell," and "request" are in quotation marks. If the words are meant ironically, the author is very unclear: At the Copacabana he "insisted" that a black comic (Nipsey Russell) be his opening act. This was a very "hard sell" in the era of NYC night club segregation. However considering he had set the attendance mark (eclipsing Frank Sinatra) his "request" was grudgingly granted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minaker (talk • contribs) 23:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I saw those and removed them as being inappropriate punctuation for an encyclopedia. Then I saw that you'd noticed the same thing. Interlingua ^{talk email} 06:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia and discography

1. I removed these from trivia, because although "Beyond the Sea" is certainly associated with Bobby Darin, he didn't write (or translate) the song as far as I can see.

>>> He didn't, but have you noticed that all of the other versions shown here, use the same ARRANGEMENT as the Darin recording, therefore they should have been left in.<<<

I think it makes sense to include in "trivia" instances when Darin's recording of songs are used in movies, etc, but not when someone else's re-recording of songs that he sang but didn't write are in movies. It appears that these are new recordings of songs associated with Darin but not written by him, so would be best placed in articles about the songs, if those exist. (There is one for "Beyond the Sea".) But maybe someone knows that Darin's recordings were also used in these movies - if so, they should be put back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.144.38.45 (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

• "Beyond the Sea" is performed by Robbie Williams in the closing credits to the 2003 Disney/Pixar Film Finding Nemo
• "Beyond the Sea" is performed by the Neo-Swing band Royal Crown Revue on their 1998 album "Mugsy's Move"

2. These two weren't clear - the Beyond the Sea (song) says that Ewan Macgregor sang it in the first film; no information about the second.

• "Beyond the Sea" was played in the film, A Life Less Ordinary, starring Ewan MacGregor and Cameron Diaz
• "Beyond the Sea" was played in the film French Kiss, starring Meg Ryan

3. These songs aren't even listed in Darin's discography, so I wasnt sure what to do with them - are their appearances in American Beauty Bobby Darin's recordings? If so, they would go back in. And also, were they singles? If so, when released and they should be added to Discography.

• "Call me Irresponsible", "Don't Rain On My Parade", "As Long As I'm Singing" and "Where Love Has Gone" are played in the film, American Beauty starring Kevin Spacey

They were Darin songs. Check with people before you remove things please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.144.38.45 (talk) 15:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

4.Discography is not at all complete - if anyone reading this has the energy, it would be nice to have it complete- his fansites probably have a more complete one; also someone might check the filmography --Tvoz 22:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

5. In the UK the B-side of "Clementine" on London HLK-9086 was "Down With Love". I bought this 45 rpm record in 1960 and still have it in my collection. I believe that "Tall Story" was released in the UK on London as the B-side of "Bill Bailey, Won't You Please Come Home".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.168.68 (talk) 06:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC) 

External Links for this article

I recently added several external links on the Bobby Darin page and they were removed for various policy reasons. I would suggest that these links are both valuable to those seeking information about Bobby Darin and relevant to the article.

I added my own site, http://darinland.com, and it was removed because it is my own site. While it is the stated policy of Wikipedia that one should not post links to sites they are affiliated with, I think that this site should be posted, for the following reason: It contains further information on Bobby Darin. Some of this information is unique to the site, particularly the new interviews with people who worked with or were friends of Darin. In these interviews, the subjects discuss their experiences working with Bobby, provide important background information about Bobby's career, etc.

I also provided a link to http://darintodream.com, a site I am not associated with. This site also contains information about Bobby Darin, including historical info, reviews of his works, and other relevant content.

I posted a link to official site for the DarinFest Fan Gathering in Las Vegas, http://darinlifetimeevents07.org. I am not associated with this gathering in any way. The guests of honor at this gathering include many of the people who worked with Darin during his career, and so again, it is an important resource and an opportunity for those interested in Darin to find out more about him and his work.

I am also disappointed that Wikipedia would also consider posting a link to a Bobby Darin Discussion Group inappropriate, as it is groups like the one I posted where people get new insights into Bobby and his career, and make contact with others who grew up attending his performances, and who therefore can offer a first person history of the man and his artistic contributions. --DarinLand dotcom 18:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

In the following section: "Darin married Andrea Yeager in June of 1973. She was not from show business, and Bobby felt that she loved him for who he was, not for his image. In 1972, he starred in his own television variety show on NBC, The Bobby Darin Amusement Company, which ran for two years. He made TV guest appearances and also remained a top draw at Las Vegas, where due to his poor health, he was often administered oxygen after his performances." there is link on "Andrea Yeager" that directs the reader to the tennis player Andrea Yeager's bio. This not the same Andrea Joy Yeager that Bobby Darin married. Andrea Yeager the tennis pro was only 8 years old in June of 1973. The link to the Andrea Yeager tennis page should be removed.Sea Wolf 03:31, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

the article also claims that the Darin biopic depicts Sandra Dee visiting him in the hospital at he time of his death. The movie does not depict Darin's death at all.

Yes it does. It is right after he is carried out of the night club, and she is led with him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.144.38.45 (talk) 15:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

NO, it doesn't. He is carried out of the nightclub to the hospital. The final scene of him is in the hospital room, with Sandra lying beside him and holding him. - DG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.242.225.72 (talk) 03:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Discography

I did some work on fleshing out the discography, adding all of his albums with their respective dates. I also added dates to album and single entries where they were missing, and put it all in chronological order. I removed an entry for "A Simple Song of Freedom" as an album, as Bobby did not have an album with this title. Perhaps this was a confusion with the Tim Hardin collection, "Simple Songs of Freedom." Hardin wrote "If I Were a Carpenter," which Bobby recorded, and Hardin recorded Bobby's song, "Simple Song of Freedom."

Just a note on the graphic in the discography section: The caption refers to the "In a Broadway Bag" album as a collection. It was not. "Broadway Bag" was a legitimate album. DarinLand dotcom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.103.22 (talk) 05:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Article style

1)Lots of redundancy in the article 2)The language is too informal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Javabeanrush (talk • contribs) 08:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Good points. How do you propose we alter it? Better yet, be bold and edit away. --Rkitko ^(talk) 08:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

It reads more like a biography than a factual encyclopedia article. An example is: "Polly actually mothered him well, considering that her own medical history had bequeathed her an addiction to morphine. It was Polly who took the young Bobby to what was left of the old vaudeville circuit in New York..."Landroo (talk) 20:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

This would be embarrassing in a fan magazine. If anyone cares enough about the subject, go ahead and overhaul it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.236.173 (talk) 13:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The style of the following is so informal that it becomes confusing, with difficulties in tense and number: In 1986, director Barry Levinson intended to direct a film based on Darin's life, and had begun preproduction on the project by early 1997. He abandoned the project, the rights to which were subsequently bought by actor Kevin Spacey, along with Darin's son, Dodd.

It reads as if at some point prior to, or in, the year, 1986, it was stated that Barry Levinson was to direct a movie during that year, which then was delayed for some reason, and only entered pre-production over a decade later in 1997. At an unspecified time he abandoned the project, at which point Spacey purchased both the film rights, and Bobby Darin’s son (which seems unlikely). Does it mean that in 1986, Barry Levinson stated his intention to direct a biopic, and then after a decade of delays, and in the pre-production stage, he cancelled the project, the rights to which were purchased by Kevin Spacey and Dodd Darin? Jock123 (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

No mention of Darin recording as the Rinky Dinks?

He recorded "Early in the Morning" under this moniker after cutting "Splish Splash." ۝ ۞ ░ 06:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, no he didn't. He recorded it before Splish Splash, and was released on Decca as "The Ding Dongs" After he recorded Splish Splash, Ahmet Ertugen re-released on Atlantic under the new name "The Rinky Dinks" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.144.38.45 (talk) 15:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

No photo?

There isn't a single uncopyrighted image out there of Bobby Darin? If not, can we ASK someone for permission to post the image here?

cs302b —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.136.25 (talk) 10:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

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• "tv-bio" :
  • [http://www.thebiographychannel.co.uk/biography_story/229:106/1/Bobby_Darin.htm Biography: Bobby Darin], The Biography Channel. Retrieved [[August 12]] [[2007]]. Also mentioned in the Bobby Darin episode of the ''Biography'' series.
  • 1st paragraph of ''Biography'' sketch.

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x-files/millennium

There's an episode of the X-Files named after the song "Beyond The Sea", in which Bobby Darin's version is played. In the series Millennium, also by the makers of the X-Files, Bobby Darin's songs are frequently played, as he's the main character's favourite singer. I thought this should be mentioned in the article, but I've never done anything more than correcting typos on wikipedia and I don't really know how to go about it, IF this is a good idea in the first place... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hv85 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Sing365

I have removed the citation to sing365.com That site is not a reliable source for biographies. Anyone can submit a biography, and they merely host it up. The submitter does not need any credentials or experience.Wjhonson (talk) 10:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Haruth's edits

Why has haruth removed a lot of material from the radio documentary on Darin's life , and mindlessly dismissed this as 'fancruft' ? just made the article less informative imo. example - from the documentary - 'he was taken to see sophie tucker -whom he admired ' - fancruft? or something that builds the narrative of the article? i dunno. just made it less informative and blander haruth. Sayerslle (talk) 12:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Most of my cleanup was to remove poorly referenced, trivia. I may have inadvertently removed some material of worth in the process. Goodfaith edits, but I really don't care that much either way. I would prefer that if you were to reintroduce any of the material, that it be worded in a more encyclopedic manner, and that verifiable references be added, rather than the rather vague allusion to a documentary which no-one is able to access to confirm the assertions made. Not even on my watchlist, but the article has a tendency to appear from time to time in various cleanup categories which brings me back to it. Everyone is free to add as they choose. Please carry on and "un-bland it"... :-) Best wishes --Haruth (talk) 14:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

everyone is free to add as they choose but it takes up time to restore the material that has been mindlessly deleted- the documentary was BBC Radio2 , narrated by Tim Rice, and the ref was just straightforward saying 100% exactly that- what is 'rather vague allusion' about that? - whats 'rather vague' is you more like. 'I really don't care much - ' -bloody right. well leave it alone then :-) Sayerslle (talk) 15:17, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Sayerslle, simply add the material back. If you feel the version prior to mine was encyclopedic and passes the standards established for Wikipedia, simply revert it. That is all that I meant by I don't care that much either way - I have no vested interest in maintaining the article one way or the other, other than trying to make it a better article per Wikipedia's standards. If you don't feel that I have achieved that, you are perfectly capable, and welcomed to, edit it to what you consider a better standard. There really is no need for such aggressive, defensive posturing. Best wishes --Haruth (talk) 15:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Intend to edit backgorund information RE subejct's paternity and ethnic heritage

No mention is made of the subject’s father. If such is unknown, then how can he be said to be of 75% Italian heritage? The 75% figure leads me be believe that his father was known and of pure Italian heritage. If so, why no mention of him even if he never married the subject’s mother?HistoryBuff14 (talk) 21:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I found several sources stating that Darin’s mother never revealed who the father of her son was, not even to him. Therefore, stating that the subject is “75% Italian” is purely speculative rather than factual. If no one objects, I shall edit the background information presently adding that his father is unknown and remove the 75% Italian bit. Please advise if anyone does object and state why. Thank you.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 13:25, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Grandmother, not grandparents

Twice in this article - once in the lead, once later - the article says Darin was "raised by his maternal grandparents".

Then it says, "His maternal grandfather, Saverio Antonio 'Big Sam Curly' Cassotto (born January 26, 1882), was of Italian descent and a wannabe mobster, who died in prison from pneumonia a year before Darin's birth."

Therefore, Darin wasn't raised by his "grandparents", but rather by his grandmother. I've changed the article to reflect this. If I'm in error, please correct and explain. Thanks. --Seduisant (talk) 03:53, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Birth date

Right or wrong? The L.A. Times has May 18 as birthday [1]? --Sister Ray (talk) 06:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Source of stage name

The story of Walden Cassotto's discovery of his stage name, Darin, was given in the movie "Beyond the Sea" as:

He had been puzzling over how he could make it big as a singer with a name like Walden Cassotto. He and friends were eating and drinking in Chinatown in New York City. He looked up sotted and, in that stupor, he saw a broken neon sign for a Chinese restaurant serving 'Mandarin' cuisine, but the first three letters of 'Mandarin' were blanked out. Thus, he just 'knew' that 'Darin' was to be his new name, which would catapult him to the heights. MaynardClark (talk) 06:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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Don Kirshner

The article identifies Don Kirshner as a fellow Bronx High School of Science Student. The Wikipedia article on Mr. Kirshner says he was a graduated of George Washington High School. Which is correct? Abenr (talk) 16:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Good catch. Unsourced here and Times obit of Kirshner says they met at a candy store in Washington Heights. Coretheapple (talk) 18:06, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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Mack the Knife

Is it fair to call this song a Darin song? I think not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mack_the_Knife#Popular_song — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.90.39 (talk) 16:24, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Rock and Roll Heaven

"Songwriter Alan O'Day alluded to Darin and his recording of 'Mack the Knife' in the song 'Rock and Roll Heaven' (made a hit by the Righteous Brothers), a tribute to dead musicians, which O'Day wrote shortly after Darin's death."

Impossible. O'Day wrote the song way before 20 December 1973, the date of Darin's death. Page 9 of the 14 July 1973 edition of Billboard acknowledged the song's existence in an advertisement for the original version of the song, performed by Climax.98.149.97.245 (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Sam Terricco (sic)

claims regarding an additional offspring need include caveat regarding it being vigorously disputed and sourced problematically. Saintstephen000 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:14, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Sam Tallerico

Someone's trying to insert:

In the summer of 1957, while performing in Detroit, Darin met a waitress named Lillian Sweet, who secretly gave birth to the singer's child. The baby was adopted as an infant and named Sam Tallerico.

References

I dunno what the first source says, but the second is completely unacceptable; "Lulu" is a self-publisher. Extraordinary claims need extraordinarily good sources. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 22:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Reverted one insertion because the author of the 2nd article is the actual guy - original research and clear non-NPOV - therefore my assumption is the 1st book would be dubious as well. Ckruschke (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)Ckruschke

As a compromise, maybe the claim could be phrased in the subjective?

As in, mention it as a possibility ("may have fathered a second child"), at least until better sources can be found. 2600:4040:96F4:8A00:DEA:C99B:AE8E:B475 (talk) 08:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm seeing that the account (TruthAboutDarin), who is wanting to add the section on this speculative child, is being rather persistent about retaining their non-NPOV, dubiously sourced information on this page. I'll be on here every few days to help ensure the sanctity of the article, but are there any means we can use to combat them outside of simple reversions of their edits? Apologies, for the nitty-gritty of Wikipedia is rather foreign to me -- although I am learning! 68.52.208.95 (talk) 06:30, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Obviously not very persistent. Hasn't even tried for six months. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 15:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

A Google search of the Starr book shows no hits for "Lillian" or "Tallerico" - David Gerard (talk) 15:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)