Talk:Overtime (ice hockey)

Table data

What exactly do the times on the table listing longest overtime games mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.83.1.234 (talk • contribs)

Minutes and seconds. Flibirigit 22:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Just counting the overtime minutes not the 60 minutes that are a given Galuple 07:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It would be more aesthetically pleasing if the first two coumns (numbers) were right justified and the remaining text was centred. If anyone knows how to code this it would improve the table. Justin.Blades 23:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Is the "**" designation relevant? I can't think of any instance that a game would be noted with "**" without a "†". Could we get rid of "**", and just mark cup-winning games with "* †"? Pdickey (talk) 06:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Stars vs. Canucks, April 11-12, 2007

Please don't update the chart until after the game has been done. All that will do is lead to many pointless edits on the page, and a very good possibility that the chart could be ruined in some way. So when the game finishes, then it can be added. Kaiser matias 07:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. Galuple 07:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone has to take control of this, and with most of North America already asleep, I am here to prevent mass chaos from errupting on one of the little noticed pages we got. Kaiser matias 07:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It's 3:15 AM here in NY, and I am still listening on NHL Game radio. I will not edit the chart, even though the game is about to pass the Easter Epic that my beloved Islanders won... EnjoysButter

Now the 6th longest...EnjoysButter 07:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

...And climbing. Go Canucks Go. Kaiser matias 07:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

So who's going to score?

One of the twins EnjoysButter 07:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

You were right —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Justin.Blades (talk • contribs) 07:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

I say Modano --the_hoodie 07:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

WesternCanadian: I'm here in the West two cities away from Vancouver and still watching.

Crazyness.. who wants it more? Triplefx 07:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

TOLD YA! EnjoysButter

Please do not add redundant links to this article. Only link the first time a team is mentioned. --phenz^Talk 07:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I dispute the facts of the chart, the goal was scored on april 12, not april 11, this is just wrong! EDIT: okay, that makes sense.

The game started on April 11, and is registered as being played on April 11. Kaiser matias 07:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The article is right. Check the Easter Epic game. It started on Sat (4/18) even though it was won on 4/19. PS- Good luck Canucks! EnjoysButter

Thank god, I was just gonna protect it to prevent well, a massive edit war. Finally, Henrik put the red light on (now the funny thing, Transit just shut down here in Vancouver) -- Tawker 07:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Nothing better than having to walk home from the game eh? Galuple 07:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to protect the page anyways. I have a feeling that it is going to get a lot of useage in the next couple of days, and I don't think anyone really wants to deal with that. Kaiser matias 07:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be it's own page? Just a thought for the future?

I mean longest NHL overtime games, not this particular game.EnjoysButter

I woulddn't think so. They aren't that notable, and only happen every couple of years. This page does enough for them. Kaiser matias 07:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Time Limit

Is there a time limit from the whistle to attempt each shot in shootout, a bit like a 24-second shot clock in basketball?

Sharks-Stars coming on the list

lol, Morrow scores!!!

As soon as someone wins the game winning goal.... whenever that may be... Whammies Were Here 05:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there will be an addition for sure tonight. So far, it's going to be at least #12 or better on the list. CopaceticThought (talk) 06:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

--Alienvenom (talk) 06:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC) GO SHARKS!!! :D

And now it's protected so that there won't be any disruptive edits until the game is over. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Why would you want to edit war when you could be watching the game instead? My computer is not in the same room as the TV. CopaceticThought (talk) 06:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify as to why I protected the article. Wikipedia isn't a news source; we aren't here to be a up to the minute sports site like ESPN or the like. When the game is finished, it will be added to the list, but not beforehand. So just enjoy the game, and watch history possibly being made. And go Sharks, force that game 7. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree. I've restored it, and frankly, a few edits don't hurt anyone, and do provide information to readers, who we're supposed to be working for. Ral315 (talk) 06:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

While I agree I am expalaining it poorly, but it is used, from what I can determine, across the various sports projects. It's a game in progess, and it doesn't need to be updated until completed. A similar problem happened back in the 2006 World Cup of Football/Soccer, to use an example, and the consensus was not to update any matches until after they were completed. I would look up some more official explanation, but I'd rather watch the game, and it is rather late out. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I suppose I can see the point in not editing an article if it's just being updated with the current minute of the game -- that's certainly not the best way to spend time. But in an article with a list of records, I don't see why we can't update the records as the game goes on. Moot point at this point, of course, as Dallas has won. Ral315 (talk) 06:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The game just ended with 69:03 of overtime when Morrow scored for Dallas

And is now irrelevant. What a shame. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to point out that Wikipedia beat ESPN.com to the result of the Stars-Sharks game by 10 minutes. I love Wikipedia! :) Bjquinn (talk) 06:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and GO STARS! Bjquinn (talk) 06:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

NCAA Overtime Info

I'll admit I've got a bit of personal interest in this one, but I was wondering if anyone would object to the addition of the 1984 NCAA Div. 1 Championship Game (Bowling Green v. University of Minnesota Duluth) to the list of NCAA Men longest overtime games? At 97 minutes, 11 seconds, I'm pretty sure it's the longest D1 Championship game in history. I can find sources, but I just wanted to see what some other opinions would be. Thanks, Tstreet (talk) 03:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

DET/PIT 6/2/08

It keeps being added, but I don't see why the game today belongs in the list. It smells of recentism. The OT win was not in the top 20 longest games, and there was not a series/Cup winning OT goal. Therefore, historically it is not particularly notable and doesn't belong. V-train (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

While I can agree that it seems a little bit suspect, I think the fact that it was in a potential elimination game in the SCF and Sykora basically 'called his shot' make it potentially worthwhile. Just another opinion. If it does stay, it needs to be re-worded, because saying that it "dashed the hopes" of the Detroit crowd and the wording that they "squandered" their lead or whatever seems a little POV. Tstreet (talk) 05:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Semi-Protect Please!

A number of IP's are currently vandalizing the article without stopping. we need this measure at least currently. --Ularevalo98 (talk) 22:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Olympic Overtime

Well, Canada just won in overtime against USA. But the reason I came here was to see if the Olympic rules were standard. To my surprise, the Olympic overtime rules are not mentioned ANYWHERE in this article. Could someone find a citation about the Olympic rules for overtime and mention it in the appropriate place in the article? 216.80.142.142 (talk) 22:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

(Revised to add header for section below. Sorry about that.) WHPratt (talk) 16:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Ex Post Facto Sudden Death?

"However, if the same number of goals are scored by both teams during the shootout, a sudden death shootout is begun . . . "

I'd prefer to put quote marks around "sudden death," as this usage corrupts the term. Sudden death should mean that the contest ends with a score. The situation described here is more like extra innings in baseball (or a college football overtime), as a complete cycle for both competing teams is required to be completed. Why should a hockey game that ends on a save be considered sudden death? WHPratt (talk) 16:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC) My thanks to whomever edited this. The phrase "sudden death shootout" should be relegated to the oxymoronic trash heap. WHPratt (talk) 17:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Ottawa and Pittsburgh (List of overtime games of 3OT or greater)

We have another one to add to the list of 3OT+ today; 2nd OT has just ended. We'll just have to see how far they can go! Bcperson89 (talk) 03:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Longest AHL overtime needs to be changed

On May 9, 2011, Winnipeg native Dustin Boyd scored six seconds into the third overtime period, ending the longest Game 7 in the AHL’s 75-year-history and sending the Hamilton Bulldogs to a thrilling 2-1 win over the Manitoba Moose at Copps Coliseum in the decisive game of the North Division Finals.

Mario Lévesque (talk) 17:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

May 2, 2012 - LOL @ whoever is keeping the list up-to-date by the minute as the NYR-Capitals game approaches the 4th overtime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.191.248 (talk) 04:13, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Notable playoff overtime game?

"May 13, 2013: Patrice Bergeron of the Boston Bruins scores past James Reimer of the Toronto Maple Leafs at 6:05 of the first overtime period in Game 7 of the Eastern Confrence Quaterfinals to cap off a miraculous comeback which saw the Bruins rally from being 4–1 down in the final 11 minutes of regulation to win the game 5–4. Bergeron also scored the game tying goal with 50.2 seconds to go in regulation time."

Sounds to me like the overtime win wasn't itself very notable - just the "miraculous" comeback in regulation, and this seems to only be notable to the fan that added this game. Nominate for deletion. Will wait until after the cup for discussion before I delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.250.160.5 (talk) 00:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Timing of NHL playoff overtimes post-1991 (tenths of a second)

An anonymous editor identified by an IP address has revised the table of long NHL playoff overtime games to state that the 1996 Capitals–Pittsburgh game ended at 79:15.4 of overtime. His most recent edit summary noted that in 1991 the NHL adopted the NBA's clock that uses tenths of a second during the final minute of a period. While that's true, I've reverted the edit for the following reasons:

(a) If tenths of a second are to be used as to one game, they should be used as to every game played since the league started using that clock. But this particular game was the only one changed to this format. It looks rather odd to be so precise as to one game and not as to any other.

(b) NHL statistics don't use the tenths of a second in the box score. They just show minutes and seconds.

(c) The NHL record book doesn't use the tenths of a second either. You can find the score of every overtime game since 1918 at the following link: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=31236 (Click on the ten-year periods underneath the table heading to see more recent data.) Tenths of a second are not shown for any game, including the Capitals' 1996 game (a game I remember all too well as a Caps fan). If the NHL record book doesn't record statistics with such pinpoint precision, I don't see any point in doing so here.

While I think the anonymous user intended his edit to be in good faith, I simply think it opens up an impossible task by calling for a level of precision that can't likely be satisfied because it may be impractical to get this sort of data for all other post-1991 playoff overtime games. In addition, I think it creates a further burden because the casual reader will wonder why some games' entries show this precision and others don't, meaning an explanatory footnote would be needed. But the table already has enough footnotes as it is. 1995hoo (talk) 18:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I believe this is misleading ...

"(the World Hockey Association had used a 10-minute regular season overtime period, as had the NHL prior to World War II)"

Yes, the WHA overtimes were set for 10 minutes, but were terminated by a sudden-death goal. So, practically speaking, they were nothing like the pre-war NHL's overtime periods, which were played out in full. I'd suggest that this read "(the World Hockey Association had used a 10-minute, sudden-death regular season overtime period)" or similar wording. WHPratt (talk) 17:00, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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List of Notable NHL games

This section is uncited and needs to be removed. It has multiple issues, each of which independently justifies removal.

1. There are no citations that the games were ever played. Per WP:CHALLENGE, uncited content can be removed and the editor who restores the material must provide citations.
2. The list is filled with recent games with no evidence of continuing notability, so it should be pruned per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM.
3. Lenthy lists in articles are discouraged per MOS:EMBED and the list lacks a well defined criteria required by WP:LISTCRITERIA for a stand alone list.

I removed the list, but Deadman137 reverted my changes, so I will wait for a reply before removing again. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 18:01, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

I would not object to brief list consisting solely of games that satisfy WP:NEVENT — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 18:18, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm just going to start my reply on a new line and we will go from there. The first point can easily be refuted by citing pages 271-275 of the NHL Guide and Record Book (there are other sources, but that one is quick and easy). The second point I actually agree with you on some of it (the recentism has gotten a bit out of control) and have no issues condensing what is currently there. The third point kind of dovetails into the previous one and I'm more than willing to help come up with some criteria to determine what makes a specific overtime game notable.

I will argue that any game that went to four overtime periods or longer should be included as that has happened less than 20 times in a century. We probably need to look at series winning goals on a case by case basis. The others are likely fine to be removed but should reviewed one last time to see if they might be a better fit in a team season article if it is not already present. Deadman137 (talk) 04:03, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

I would just add that for many decades, sudden-death overtime was limited to the Stanley Cup playoffs, and for most of that time, the playoffs were but two rounds of play. This suggests that just about every win, including overtime wins, was a significant step towards the championship. Having said that, I think that we should be selective about overtime wins in the era when every game could go to overtime and the playoffs had four tiers. WHPratt (talk) 04:20, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Rule (shootout)

Regarding shootouts, I didn't see any discussion of whether the visitors or the home team shoots first -- or whether there's a coin flip or other determinant, and whether that order persists throughout the shootout under the various league rules. Certainly, this is important to strategy, and thus has to be addressed. WHPratt (talk) 17:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Demolished arenas

The list of notable NHL overtime games has a symbol denoting demolished arenas. My question is, why do we care? How is the fact that an arena was demolished relevant in any way to the fact that a very long game was played there? It feels like trivia for the sake of trivia. I can see why the fact that a game was played at a neutral site could be deemed relevant insofar as neither team had home fan support (though in the case of the 2020 five-overtime game, there were no fans there at all), but demolished arenas just seems like excessive detail. 1995hoo (talk) 16:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)