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This article should be merged with Star of David

Huh? I can't understand why you'd want to do that. This is an article about mediaeval legends (mainly Islamic) about a magical ring, genies and talking animals. The sole, minor relationship to the Judaic symbol is that in some versions of the legend, the ring has a pattern on it which is similar (but not identical) to the symbol. Maybe if someone was prepared to do a complete article on legends associated with King Solomon, this article could fit into that, but it is barely related to the Star of David. Securiger 18:03, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I agree. The hexagram shape is the same, but the meanings, lore, and interpretations have significant differences. Keep them separate.

Septegram 13:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And a complete article on legends related to Solomon would be so long it would need splitting up anyway; we've already got Testament of Solomon, Key of Solomon, The Lesser Key of Solomon, Magic carpet, King Solomon's Mines, and many more! Securiger 18:03, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It is widely believed in Russian community that the Seal of Solomon had 2 inscribtions on it, one saying "this will be over" and the second one "and this will be over too". Neither German nor English sites contain something similar to this. I am just wondering whether it is just a myth widely spread in Russia or something real? 84.191.28.173 02:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's a separate story, see this wikipedia page:This too shall pass. Solomon was a wealthy guy, he had lots of rings, apparently. 64.252.25.195 (talk) 23:15, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It can also be noted that there are some who believe that this Seal of Solomon is that symbol from which the Masonic square and compasses originate. If one were to remove the two horizontal bars on the Seal of Solomon one would have the symbol of the Freemasons. See the book "Born in Blood: The Lost Secrets of Freemasons" by John J. Robinson page 235 ff.

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Should this article really be in the project? Unless "Seal of Solomon" is an heraldic or vexillological term, I would suggest you might want to instead include the articles Hexagram and Pentagram. The Seal of Solomon is a device of uncertain shape (could be a hexagram, could be a pentagram, could be something else entirely, it all depends on who you listen to). Its main interest is in its associated mythology involving King Solomon, the subduing of demons, etc, and in its application within ceremonial magic. To my knowledge, when a hexagram or pentagram (rarely) appears on flags or in heraldry, no connotation of Solomonic magic is intended. A very few exceptions might be found in the seals and symbolism of certain occult orders, but I suspect that's going a bit beyond your remit? Fuzzypeg ☻ 22:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The have the symbols wrong in regards to alchemical usage. I am reading from Titus Burckhardt- where he explains that the triangle pointing down represent water... and the triangle pointing up does represents fire... however, the triangle with a horizontal side of the other triangle is air (a triangle pointing up with the lower triangle's horizontal line running through it). While the upturning of this sign (a triangle pointing down with the horizontal line running the the point) represents Earth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.111.59.163 (talk) 00:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you're responding to, either in the article or here in the talk page, since what you've written doesn't contradict anything that I can see. You're absolutely correct regarding the alchemical signs, and these are still how these signs are commonly used. Earth and air aren't mentioned in the article, and if you could quote some authority who specifically explains them in terms of the hexagram then that would be a great citation to add to the article. Fuzzypeg ☻ 03:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there a pentangle on this?? 92.16.95.201 (talk) 20:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New stuff goes at the bottom. The caption below the picture that says "One simple form of the Seal" obviously couldn't have anything to do with it... Ian.thomson (talk) 23:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HEXAGRAM OR PENTAGRAM???????????????[edit]

WHAT is the real shape of solomon's seal? pentagram or hexagram??????????? --Adikhebat (talk) 11:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Depends varies from source to source, but most appear to go with hexagram. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This would be so much better if we had any decent references. Both the hexagram and pentagram traditions seem to have existed by the later Middle Ages (14th or 15th century), and they seem to be connected to an undated, unspecified "Arabic" tradition. It would really be useful to at least have one medieval source that clearly identifies the Seal of Solomon as a hexagram or pentagram, so we'd at least have a terminus ante quem. If you read closely, we have a bunch of references that attest that (a) there are medieval sources talking of a "Seal of Solomon", and (b) the hexagram occurs in the symbolism or art in medieval Spain and medieval Judaism, but no explicit reference linking the two items. The entire article does not have a single clear referenced statement identifying the Seal of Solomon as either a hexagram or a pentagram, not even an early modern one, let alone medieval. The one thing we have would be the 1915 flag of Morocco which was described as "our noble vision decided to distinct our joyful flag by making the five pointed seal of Solomon in the middle in green", so that's at least something. --dab (𒁳) 07:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Solomon's Ring[edit]

Was gifted to him by his father David. Who in turn received it from God, technically an angel but it was said to have the Star of David on it so the six pointed star Mehmnok the speechless (talk) 23:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now this is an interpretation of course every book and every Scholars says something different he could ever say you did from God or he could have received it from his father it's Up For Debate Mehmnok the speechless (talk) 23:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mehmnok the speechless: Wikipedia just summarizes professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources. We don't use original research. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:27, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy Kyle[edit]

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