Talk:Griffin

Origin

Griffin is from sex - Ruch (رخ roch) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.99.128.91 (talk) 18:00, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

...no 2001:8003:88D5:5601:6915:92F:2F1A:255E (talk) 08:00, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Ear

Wonderful article, however, I question the validity of the ear theory stating that they come from either a horse or a donkey. An Eagle has ears very much like the ears of the depicted griffins, yet, if indeed this was found in a valid source I question no further. Jughead

Chelseaboy responds:- All the standard works on heraldry say that the griffin's ears differentiate it from the eagle - i.e. they are not eagle's ears. For example:

• A C Fox-Davies The Art of Heraldry (1904, reprinted 1986) p 158 "It has the wings of the eagle, which are never represented close, but it also has ears, and this, by the way, should be noted, because herein is the only distinction between a griffin's head and an eagle's head when the rest of the body is not represented."
• Stephen Friar (ed) A New Dictionary of Heraldry (1987) p 173: "Its head, wings and talons are those of an eagle, to which are added a pair of sharp ears, as it has very acute hearing."
• J P Brooke-Little Boutell's Heraldry (1978 edn) p 81: "The GRIF5IN, or GRYPHON, has the head, breast, foreclaws and wings of an eagle, and the hindquarters and tail of a liion. It has ears."

None of these quotes specifies that the ears are those of a horse or a donkey. But they do tend to have that appearance, as reflected in Friar's reference to "sharp ears".Chelseaboy 10:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

you may not want to include that fact then if it is an assumption or observation because as I am positive you already know every aspect of a mythological creature is a symbol and to say it has ears of a donkey or horse if it is only speculation could be damaging to the information as a whole. I dont mean to offend you because I think that the article is very good, I even learned a few new things. Jughead 2 June 2005

Lay off the poor thing! Jeez! Timio 10:10, 3/5/05

I've made an edit which takes your point on board. Thanks for your contribution - no-one is offended by thoughtful and constructive comments like yours. Hey, I didn't even write the passage which bothered you! Chelseaboy 09:25, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It is nice to have comments appreciated. : ) jughead

probably griffins as supporters of a charge

Determination request. It looks like a griffin but it has no ears. What is it? They are like a supporters of a charge. Photo of relief of CoA in Olomouc (Czech Republic). --Snek01 16:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Griffins are not always portrayed with ears. If it's got an eagle's head and wings and lion's body, as these do, then it's a classic griffin. Coyoty 18:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Anatolian asses' ears as a regal emblem are discussed under Midas. No link from this article, however. --Wetman (talk) 12:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hildegard of Bingen

Our reference comes at third hand through [www.mythicalrealm.com/creatures/aerie.html "Lady Gryphon's Mythical Realm"]. Can we get a firsthand quote and reference? --Wetman 00:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Almnost three years and still no quote or reference. I'm commenting this out till we get one. --Wetman (talk) 12:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Griffin literature

There are some more books on griffins now. Try to add the titles on. Just go to Google and type in Literature on Griffins.

Also, this statement should go in the article:By nature, the griffin is a calm creature. It only attacks when provoked.

Just thought I could help. Mac SimmsMac Simms 17:24, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I've now added the single major reference.--Wetman (talk) 12:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Why no reference to the Gryphon in Alice In Wonderland? (Also has good illustration.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.239.75.128 (talk) 10:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to note the article does not mention medieval literature that portrays the griffin as a more negative figure -- for more information -- http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast151.htm -- I feel some additions are necessary but don't feel equipped to make them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.98.124 (talk) 07:44, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Winged lions and other non-aquiline beasts

Mostly, the article makes the griffin's body (ignoring the wings for the moment) a cross between the body parts of an eagle and a lion, which I would have thought correct. But winged lions or other big cats creep in about halfway down in these two sentences: "In architectural decoration the griffin is usually represented as a four-footed beast with wings and the head of a leopard or tiger with horns... The griffin is the symbol of the Philadelphia Museum of Art and you can see bronze castings of them perched on each corner of the museum's roof, protecting its collection." The Philadelphia Museum of Art illustration seems clearly to be a winged lion (complete with mane) and the latest pic of the St Petersburg bridge also has no eagle parts except wings. Is it right that a winged big cat is a griffin? Are there really examples of winged beasts in architecture with "the head of a tiger with horns" and, if so, are they griffins? The winged bulls of Assyria are not griffins. Doesn't the bird element need to amount to more than wings? Chelseaboy 18:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I think the article should make a distinction that winged lions and other cats without bird heads are not griffins. Combinations of other birds' heads and cats' bodies may qualify, and the bodies of other animals, as in the hippogryph, but it's the avian heads that define them. Gentaur 21:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

The article should mention that a two-headed griffin is called a berundagriff. Kampfaxt (talk) 11:38, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism

What is the purpose of this sentence: He also is 9 feet tall and has an 18 inch penis. (Unsigned by 128.62.100.139)

That was vandalism. It has been corrected. Coyoty 20:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

"a legendary creature with the body of an eagle and the head and wings of a lion" perhaps "the body of a lion and the head and wings of an eagle" is correct

vandalism reverted. Kowloonese 02:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Which eagle?

Is there any particular species of eagle associated with griffins? I've tended to assume they're golden eagle mixes, and it seems reasonable to assume that no new-world eagles qualify (at least in antiquity) but is that supported in the literature? SleekWeasel 20:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

No, there is no literature on New World Linnaean species of eagles not being specifically identifiable as top species in griffins. None whatsoever. Abosolutely not "supported in the literature". Arrival of griffins from Mars is also not supported in the literature. --Wetman (talk) 12:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Fe/male griffin

Oh, while I'm being picky-

"Classical and heraldic griffins are male and female. A "male" griffin, called a keythong in a single 15th century English heraldic manuscript, is an anomaly

I presume this doesn't mean that classical griffins are hermaphrodite?! SleekWeasel 20:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

The problem is with the confident assertion "Classical and heraldic griffins are male and female," which would qualify as Original Research if it were based on research. --Wetman 09:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Griffins as dogs?

The section I just blanked again ("Griffins in Nature: Origin of Myth or Myth of Origin?") was, um, interesting, but unsourced, highly speculative, and not encyclopedic. I defy anyone to cite sources for those comments; if not, per WP:Verifiability it needs to be deleted. DCB4W 02:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Bring back the "Griffins in Nature" section, it's the only thing that keeps this article alive and relevant. Otherwise it's as dead as the Beast of Maine and stinks about the same.--4.245.254.43 06:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Fire?

I'm sorry, but I just have to ask; do Griffins, as a general mythical rule, breathe fire? Charlie MacKenzie 11:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Dudette ask yourself this question DO dogs breathe fire?--Marsiliano 16:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, Dudette. DO mythical dogs breathe fire? Yes, I can think of one. I know that Griffins definitely breathed fire in Azure Dreams, but do they, as a general mythical rule, breathe fire? Charlie MacKenzie 18:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

No, gryphons don't generally breathe fire.

Griffen?

When is the creature spelled this way? I think its only the surname. Suggest removing Griffen. User:Zimmer79 10:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

I deleted a paragraph purposely put at the heading of the page by someone. It was a hero worshipping paragraph written in the third person about some guy who apparently played every position on the his high school football team. His last name was Griffin, so I guess that qualified to be at mythical creature status.

Yes, I know what I'm doing and No, I can't tell you how I did it. 17:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)User: Sirjameson on 9 December 2006 at 17:04 GMT

Greek Gryphos ?

It comes from the Greek "gryps" (gamma-rho-upsilon-psi) and from the Latin "gryps"/"gryphus".

My source (Greek Words in the English Language by Aristides Konstandinidi) also confirms a Greek etymology, i.e., from gryps as spelled in Greek lettering above and from grypos(gamma-rho-upsilon-pi-omicron-sigma). Other derivatives include: GRYPONYCHIA, GRYPOSIS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.131.4.1 (talk) 10:08, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

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Griffins as heraldry

while this page was informative it lacked depth humblest apolgies ,but the griffin has been postured in heraldry ie coat of arms the iberian houses of nobility were entirely overlooked as were the combined houses of french and spanish families of aristocrasy these parings are historically rivera perez padila anyone able to share knowledge they posess concerning the french and portagee influences and alliances can contact me at she6me2@aol.com sincerely thomas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.246.251.223 (talk) 05:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Löwenbräu - a lion, not a griffin

The Löwenbräu beer-can should not be displayed in this article. The brewery's logo shows a lion, not a griffin. "Löwenbräu" is German for "lion's brewery". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.189.39.77 (talk) 22:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Griffin surname

Should the Griffin surname information really be on this page? There is a seperate page for the Griffin surname, and the section says nothing about the mythical creature. 125.27.167.18 (talk) 12:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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Moreover, the reference is suspect. Griffin is not a name necessarily related to the mythical griffin. It is often found to be a name of Welsh origin, probably related to 'Griffiths', itself coming from a variant of 'Gruffydd': 'Gruff' probably has its origins in the Latin / Greek roots for 'Grip', the precursor to 'ydd' meaning Chief, so, 'Chief with a strong Grip', or 'Powerful Ruler'. Irish etymologies can be found but it is wrong to trace the surname Griffin to these alone.

The point is that this reference is partial, opaque and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.66.93 (talk) 23:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Griffen in Persia

Only in 2 lines are they mentioned, the Griffins of persia and described as "griffen-like" creatures. It's not meintined that the so much mentionend greek Griffins are totaly influensed by the persian ones. As it's visuable the greek artworks are from the 4th century BC, that means after Alxander the great conquered Persia! Please try to edit this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.142.88.128 (talk) 19:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Greek gryphons in art precede Alexander by centuries but do arrive in Hellenic culture from Ancient Near Eastern (but Anatolian and Syrian) sources.--Wetman (talk) 12:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

External links

I've replaced http://www.gryphonpages.com/research/ - a relevant, well-researched external link which has been listed on the main article since October 2004 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Griffin&oldid=8442527 ) through over 1,000 edits.
(Somewhat minded to add back in the other link which was removed, but also deals directly with/discusses the topic related here, if not clearly disallowed under WP:ELNO , etc.).
Kind regards, David. Harami2000 (talk) 14:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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Genoa's "shield"

When were the griffin supporters "rearing at the sides of the shield" added to Genoa's coat-of-arms? Not as early as this article now states.-Wetman (talk) 08:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Homa/huma

I've moved the reference to the given name Homa to the article about the mythological Huma bird.

The chain Griffin (name) - Griffin (creature) - Huma (creature) - Homa (name) is a bit tenuous, especially the middle bit -- the Huma has no lion parts and is more like a phoenix. Matuszek (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Origins

The article states the following:

"The griffin first appeared 5th-4th century BC in Central Asia, probably originating from the Achaemenid Persian Empire. There and then, the griffin was a protector from evil."

However, such creatures were long before that depicted in art at places like Thera (Akrotiri), Crete, and Egypt (Auaris). There are famous Egyptian artifacts depicting such creatures, as the axe of Ahhotep (a gift from her son Ahmose).

9th Century Irish writer

I found it hard to believe that this person was called "Griffin Neal" as the article said. A bit of searching online finds articles that repeat this and those that give the name as "Stephen Scotus". Both presumably are inspired by the article at different stages in time. I reset the earlier name but added a 'citation needed' flag as I couldn't find any reference that seemed at all authoritative. Tre1234 (talk) 03:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

griffins or gryphons

griffins or gryphons are very noble, but yet loyal mythological beasts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.31.73.126 (talk) 20:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

About the "Griffin"

Griffins are known to have the body of the lion and sometimes the head and wings of an eagle or the lion's body with the head, wings, and forearms (forelegs) of an eagle. King Shadeed 20:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Eagles don't have forearms or forelegs. The legs of an eagle are the back legs.Eregli bob (talk) 06:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

You misunderstood. I'm specifically talking about the upper half of the griffin, the eagle.King Shadeed 10:49, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Remove tribe-as-group-of-griffins assertion

It is highly suspicious that the unsubstantiated assertion that a group of griffins is called a "tribe" would appear on the day that The College of William & Mary (nickname: "The Tribe") announces that the griffin is the new mascot.

I propose that the statement be removed until it can be independently verified, rather than just adding a "citation needed" tag.

Update: I see that someone beat me to it and removed it already. I don't see this point coming back with substantiation, but I'll leave this talk entry in case it does.

Stephenwb (talk) 16:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Gryphons/griffins

I am a writer and am currently writing a book. I am doing research on different mythical creatures such as dragons and gryphons. If i am going to put a gryphon in my writing it would be a gryphon <----spelled like that Because they are typically known to have wings. Where would i find a gryphon and should i know anything about it to put in my writing?

I spell it Gryphon in my writing too. :P All that I've found is that Gryphons live in secluded areas away from humans. (And according to Dungeons & Dragons Lore they lay one - two eggs :P) --Kurtle (talk) 13:41, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

"Stephen Scotus"

Who is this "ninth-century Irish writer"? He does not appear in the articles at JSTOR nor at Google Scholar. Mirror sites are repeating Wikipedia's still-unsourced statement all over the Internet. So who is "Stephen Scotus" and what is his book?--Wetman (talk) 16:49, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Pride vs Flock

Is this for real? Seems like someone's indulging in some silliness to me. I know, I know, assume good faith... Alright, either way it seems like original research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.123.32 (talk) 03:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Images

I notice this page has a good selection of images, but the problem is they're all of statues or heraldric crests. The page should probably start off with the picture of a real Griffin - I'm sure there must be a zoo out there which would allow open-source use of their photographs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.121.130 (talk) 08:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Remarriage

"Griffins not only mated for life, but also, if either partner died, then the other would continue throughout the rest of its life alone, never to search for a new mate. The griffin was thus made an emblem of the Church's views on remarriage."

Mmm.. this is unsourced, and neither the Catholic nor Orthodox Churches [the only ones that existed in the Middle Ages] ever forbade remarriage after the death of one spouse, so this is a bit misleading. 165.91.166.232 (talk) 17:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Remarriage deserves an aticle. "A virtually eternal relationship was established between the spouses, living or dead," notes David L. Snuth, "Divorce and remarriage from the early Church to John Wesley", Trinity Journal 11.2 (Fall 1990): 131-142]. Snuth also notes Tertullian (c. 200), who, like his contemporaries, held that the marital bond is indissoluble. In his Treatises on Marriage and Remarriage, he strongly objected to a woman's remarrying even after her husband's death, because then she would have "one husband in the flesh and another in the spirit. This would be adultery- joint knowledge of one woman by two men."--Wetman (talk) 22:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

The Griffin originates from Egypt and not Greece.

The griffin was known in Egypt already in year 3300 B.C Here is a link We should mention it at the beggining of the article. :) Egyptian culture had big effects on greek culture and it would not suprise me if the griffin was one of the symbollic "Cultural trade goods" from the Egyptians to the greeks. Here is another link :)

Here is another link (Sorry for my grammar and english.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsaces (talk • contribs) 11:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Saab Automobile

It's worth pointing out that Saab Automobile no longer use a griffin in their logo. 85.210.144.114 (talk) 17:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Add to "Amusement parks" section?

Cedar Point Amusement Park in Sandusky, Ohio has opened in 2013 the "GateKeeper" ride which features a griffin as its mascot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GateKeeper_%28roller_coaster%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdcasto (talk • contribs) 02:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I am terribly curious why

I am terribly curious why the Greek name for griffin is given beside the Latin? Speling12345 (talk) 3:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

School with the Griffin symbol

Please note that a school in Dublin Ireland called Sandford Park School uses the Griffin as their school symbol for over 90 years.

School with the Griffin symbol

Please note that a school in Dublin Ireland called Sandford Park School uses the Griffin as their school symbol for over 90 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.111.87.60 (talk) 00:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Seton Hill University in Greensburg, PA has used the Griffin as a mascot since 2002. Source: http://athletics.setonhill.edu/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.34.29.122 (talk) 18:09, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Griffins used as school mascot

The Dutchtown High School in Geismer, LA has used the griffin as a mascot since the it was originally opened in 2002.

saab

griffins are saabs logo so something should be mentioned in the griffin article about saabs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.240.28 (talk) 13:54, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2014

Dear Sirs,

within short all Kunstpedia articles will be 301 redirected to our new website www.artwis.com. We would hereby like to request to amend the url of Elena Neva's article.

Neva, Elena. "Central Asian Jewelry and their Symbols in Ancient Time" Kunstpedia; citing Pugachenkova, G. (1959) "Grifon v drevnem iskusstve central’noi Azii." Sovetskya Arheologia, 2 pp. 70, 83

The new URL is http://www.artwis.com/articles/central-asian-jewelry-and-their-symbols-in-ancient-time/

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Done Thanks for the correction suggested. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 12:23, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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a crude mistake

In Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy, Beatrice meets Dante in Earthly Paradise after his journey through Hell and Purgatory with Virgil have concluded. Beatrice takes off into the Heavens to begin Dante's journey through paradise on a flying Griffin that moves as fast as lightning.

There is nothing like that there, do people even read that poem anymore? Dante meets a gryphon which drags a cart, Beatrice appears near/in the cart, speaks with Dante and then leave the cart and they fly to the Heaven, without any gryphon, while Dante watches her and she watches the sky. Here are quite a few quotes because the text is quite sublime and unclear, that's Longfellow's translation, generally it's Purgatorio 29-32 and Paradiso 1.

Purgatorio 29, 106-108 for the meeting with the gryphon

The interval between these four contained

A chariot triumphal on two wheels,

Which by a Griffin's neck came drawn along;

Purgatorio 30, 28-33 for her appearing

Thus in the bosom of a cloud of flowers

Which from those hands angelical ascended,

And downward fell again inside and out,

Over her snow-white veil with olive cinct

Appeared a lady under a green mantle,

Vested in colour of the living flame.

Purgatorio 30, 100-103 mentions her being on the cart

She, on the right-hand border of the car

Still firmly standing, to those holy beings

Thus her discourse directed afterwards:

Purgatorio 32, 85-90 mentions how the gryphon eventually leaves the scene leaving the Beatrice behind

And all in doubt I said, "Where's Beatrice?"

And she: "Behold her seated underneath

The leafage new, upon the root of it.

Behold the company that circles her;

The rest behind the Griffin are ascending

With more melodious song, and more profound."

Paradiso 1, 64-66 , 91-93, 142, for their departure to the heaven when they simply were standing and watching each other

With eyes upon the everlasting wheels

Stood Beatrice all intent, and I, on her

Fixing my vision from above removed,

...

Thou art not upon earth, as thou believest;

But lightning, fleeing its appropriate site,

Ne'er ran as thou, who thitherward returnest."

...

Thereat she heavenward turned again her face.

217.118.64.61 (talk) 12:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Finally erased the absurdity about the flying Griffin in the Divine Comedy. Thanks be to God, this was figuratively killing me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thibaud313 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

The griffin actually is the heart of all the animals, in that it is a cross between two animals. Techically it is an impossible, event or miracle...,or higher consciousness. It keeps the hearts and the souls that have a truth to share, and bears them as hearts or with duties. If it dies then one must leave for ever the realm of the heart. Equated to the last judgement or apocalyptic Moment. The times are needing to change, or a drafted to change when HER appears. It lives within us the strentgh, its the hearts debating with the souls. It is only mighty by its truth or its desire to care by showing where she has been called or why.Then Its is born to state a truth. The birth is a cleansing, of all the hearts who spoke, the agreement is to bare the heart, to speak of what was needed to survive as higher conscious beings, it is logical. Guard of the unicorns and other realms of eternal children. If one does not allow the heart to clean then they will eventually face hell. Without the griffon their is no hope. It is the last face we meet before we die on the death bed, It is the also all the children. The children are balance and judgement and how one has treated the eternal state of children. Justice who adjust to the pain and turmoils of the times. If you tresspass then you have chosen to meet hell. The harpies are near the door and remember who has passed for they are no longer salvageable. YOu cannot create a griffon for its is real. even though its image is an impossible(bird head and big cat body. This one is the ehaven of european frienship, before roman conquest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.123.182.20 (talk) 22:52, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

470th Military Intelligence Brigade

The Griffin is the 470th MI BDE's mascot and appears on the brigade's Shoulder Sleeve Insignia . It should be added to where the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade and Air Force unit are noted in the article, before the Aviation brigade as we're older by about 20 years (21 July 1944). The Air Force unit should actually be placed last, as the entire Army has precedence over the Air Force by virtue of being older (1775 vs 1947). For a heraldry article one would figure you'd know that. The Air Force never goes first when discussing heraldry. The correct order is Army (14 June 1775), Navy (13 October 1775), Marine Corps (10 November 1775), Coast Guard (4 August 1790), Public Health Service (1798), NOAA Corps (22 May 1917), and Air Force (18 September 1947) for the Uniformed Services, and Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Air Force for the Armed Services. 67.42.205.26 (talk) 11:21, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2016

Could you please link the text "Charles G. Fraser Public School" to http://schoolweb.tdsb.on.ca/charlesgfraser?

Mandyjmoore (talk) 21:32, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: per WP:EL. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:56, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Two-headed Griffin

For those that don't know a two-headed griffin is called a berundagriff. Kampfaxt (talk) 11:36, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Any citation for this? I Googled that word and all I got are this talk page and a DeviantArt post.--104.190.189.84 (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2016

In the section "In popular sports" Please add "The UK SkyBet Championship football team Brentford FC play at Griffin Park, a stadium famous for being the only football ground in the UK with a pub on all 4 corners". 195.59.221.4 (talk) 15:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Dane2007 ^talk 23:11, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

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Akkadian etymology

Someone wrote that the word griffin may be related with "Akkadian karūbu (winged creature)". I looked in Akkadian vocabularies online, but I didn't find this meaning for karūbu, so I inserted a tag.

The two words aren't even remotely similar anyway... FunkMonk (talk) 18:52, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Error in picture describtion

Hi

There is a mistake in the following image description "Martin Schongauer: The griffin, 15th century". The back legs on described picture have horse hooves instead of paws indicating that the depicted creature is a hippogriffin and not a griffin.

Since I have registered recently I have no premissions to do edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mudromil (talk • contribs) 19:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

School mascot

Missouri Western State University uses Griffin as mascot. The logo of the Griffin is shaped like the state of Missouri https://www.missouriwestern.edu/Gardenvariety (talk) 16:55, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Indus civilization

i just want to add that indus valley civilization pottery depicts griffin as well

indus pottery griffen with bird head and wings and lion like body and horse's neck115.135.130.182 (talk) 16:27, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2019

Griffin is also the official mascot of Golden Gate University, in San Francisco, CA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_University 192.251.73.103 (talk) 00:50, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bradv🍁 03:49, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Origins

a 2016 blog by Mark Witton is cited twice in this article to refute Mayor's proposal that beaked dinosaur fossil observations might have played a role in shaping Greek and Latin inter-related accounts and art about griffins of Central Asia, ca 700 BC to AD 400. The blog does not appear to be a scholarly refutation of an academic hypothesis by an expert in ancient art and literature--should it be cited? Sufiji (talk) 02:07, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to leave it for now. At the least it contains a list of literature on the subject. Neither of them are conventional "experts" it seems - Witton does at least come from the palaeontologist side. I've moved the whole issue out of the lead, which needs additions to summarize the whole article, which is barely attempts so far. Johnbod (talk) 03:45, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Mayor's dinosaur-griffin hypotheseis

It's currently in the article twice, and needs to be edited down to one. I didn't notice until I saved my work. Later. --Pete Tillman (talk) 19:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2020

The section In heraldry incorrectly refers to the typical attitude of the griffin as "sergeant". The word is segreant, as the cited source agrees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.211.96.74 (talk) 06:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done – Thjarkur (talk) 09:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2020

I want the taxonomy of griffins 154.125.106.48 (talk) 18:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:30, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Can it be a kind of Raptor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:171B:227D:EBE0:5429:8496:6235:4C5F (talk) 22:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Rubbish

"In British heraldry, a male griffin is shown without wings, its body covered in tufts of formidable spikes, with a short tusk emerging from the forehead, as for a unicorn." This is simply untrue. See the essay on "Lauder Arms" in The Double Tressure the Heraldry Society of Scotland's journal for 2007. See also Nisbet's "Systems of Heraldry" (1722) widely available in facsimile. 2A00:23C4:B617:7501:1AD:BFB9:FC6D:3729 (talk) 09:54, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Mythological

This article is about some chimera-like mythological creature. But I have read about griffins in Sagas, that were simply large birds. Something like the Harpy Eagle come to mind. So what is this then? The Griffin that is merely a large bird and not a conglomerate of animals? Rosengarten Zu Worms (talk) 16:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Wot, no Brentford Griffin???

I would have thought that if you can find room for all manner of obscure pop culture references and corporate logos, you could at least add a line or two concerning the Brentford Griffin, which briefly came to prominence in 1985, featuring on the national news and triggering a short-lived "griffin flap". It is the only remotely semi-serious modern claim of griffins being real creatures, though I don't think anybody ever seriously thought there might be a long-lost colony of them nesting on a tiny island in the Thames as some very tongue-in-cheek authorities claimed.

You do after all have an article devoted to Owlman, a very minor British Mothman ripoff invented by the serial hoaxer and professional attention-seeker Doc Shiels, on the grounds that the creature appears in quite a few of the less fussy works on cryptozoology, but apparently the Brentford Griffin is unworthy of its own page, despite featuring in many similar anthologies (usually the same ones), being invented by a much more famous and successful author than Doc Shiels (Robert Rankin), and being briefly glimpsed by at least one A-list mega-famous musical genius and living legend (Rat Scabies). Also, the only contemporary book, or rather booklet, on the Brentford Griffin was written by Andrew Collins, who was not in collusion with Robert Rankin, and continues to this day to disagree with the man who made it up about whether it was entirely fictional.

Furthermore, in addition to the many long-established griffin references and images to be found in Brentford due to the presence of the celebrated Fuller's Griffin Brewery in nearby Chiswick (which, given the number of extremely obscure schools the article lists simply because they have a griffin as their mascot, probably deserves a mention, since although the company has changed its name a couple of times, it's been using a griffin trademark continuously since 1816 and it's a familiar sight on draught beer taps in pubs throughout Britain), there is at least one mural in Brentford that explicitly depicts the 1985 Brentford Griffin as opposed to the Fuller's Griffin.

Go on, give the poor thing a mention! You know you want to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.52.255 (talk) 03:07, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Nuttall

In the further reading section, this article uses the nuttall template but there is no evidence for it being true. I was about to delete it, but thought I’d better check here first. —Northernhenge (talk) 15:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2022

On Power Rangers Jungle Fury Jarrod when possessed by Dai Shi gains the spirit of the griffin when he becomes the Phantom Beast King. 2A00:23C4:4184:7A01:6407:3B18:DE37:1206 (talk) 04:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:55, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Schools without wp articles removed from article

I've removed these schools which don't have Wikipedia articles. There are enough examples remaining to demonstrate that griffins are used in school symbols.

• The mascot of Glenview Senior Public School in Toronto is the gryphon, and the name is incorporated into its sporting teams.
• The mascot of the L&N STEM Academy in Knoxville, Tennessee, a public science, technology, engineering and math high school serving grades 9–12, is the gryphon. The school opened in August 2011. The gryphon is also incorporated into the school's robotics team.
• The mascot of Charles G. Fraser Junior Public School in Toronto is the griffin, and an illustration of a griffin forms the school's logo.
• Also, the griffin is the official mascot of Maria Clara High School, known as the Blue Griffins in PobCaRan cluster of Caloocan, Philippines, which excels in cheerleading.

The Toronoto schools are mentioned in Toronto District School Board and List of Toronto District School Board elementary schools but that's about the school system, not about the heraldry. --Northernhenge (talk) 10:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2023

The invisible man, Griffin, first became visible when he stepped into mud, and his footprints were all over the steps of a house in the middle of London. His footprints were noticed by two boys who followed, fascinated, until the muddy impressions became fainter and fainter and at last disappeared altogether. He escaped easily enough from the boys who followed his footprints in London. As it was mid-winter, he slipped into a big London store to keep himself warm and slept there while picking up a pair of shoes, an overcoat and a wide-brimmed hat from the store. When he wore the clothes, it made him visible to the shop assistants when the shop opened in the morning. Thereafter, he had to shed all his clothes to escape from them and became invisible again. 202.160.174.117 (talk) 10:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Not done, lacks a source and isn't too relevant to the legendary beast. --Mvqr (talk) 10:47, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2024

Reference # 54 is mangled. It looks like there is a malformed {{Refn}} in the "Mesopotamia" section.

I think that the text:

{{Refn|Frankfort classed it as a "winged, tailed, and taloned dragon which spat fire".</ref>

should be:

{{Refn|Frankfort classed it as a "winged, tailed, and taloned dragon which spat fire".}}

There may be something more complicated going on that I can't see. Thanks 76.14.122.5 (talk) 22:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I think I fixed the problem. There was also an issue with the Goldman (1960) citation; there probably should've been ref tags around it, since the inline use of Template:harvp was deprecated. The original editor probably intended to have a footnote about Frankfort's classification, with a citation to Frankfort (1936-1937) inside the footnote, but got the brackets and the ref tags from the previous Goldman citation mixed up. Liu1126 (talk) 22:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

That looks right. Much better than my suggestion! Thanks 76.14.122.5 (talk) 23:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)