Talk:Cyrillic script

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Etymology[edit]

The etymology doesn't have a single reference or citation. It also doesn't state when the name was first used. Slyapbg (talk) 21:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Script in summary table links[edit]

Many of the characters are linked to non-exited pages, the pages do exist, if we can link those letters to the correct pages would be great Sydneybess (talk) 19:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian as the example[edit]

I mean I don't really care but is Romanian the best example we can give in the infobox of an article about the Cyrillic script? Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, yeah but some Romanians still use the script, especially in Moldova. I say we should either use the Romanian or a Church Slavonic script. KeymasterOne (talk) 16:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Organization, controversy, and more issues. Help fix this page.[edit]

This article is kind of controversial. Here are the following major issues which I have seen in the article and talk pages. Reply to this to help organize the details. Be civil, but please provide your opinion:

  1. Cyrill and Methodius - These brothers did not invent the Cyrillic Alphabet, rather it was St Clement of Ohrid. The saints, Cyrill and Methodius invented the glagolitic alphabet.
  2. Ethnicity of St Clement of Ohrid - He was not Macedonian, although he lived in the modern day territory of North Macedonia, it is very important to note that he lived over 1000 years ago, in the First Bulgarian Empire. "Macedonian" was not even classified as an ethnicity until recent centuries.
  3. Ethnicity of Saints Cyrill and Methodius - They were born in the Eastern Roman Empire, however they spoke both Greek and Bulgarian, it is believed that they can be both, for example, their father being Greek and their mother being Bulgarian... and for Macedonians saying the brothers are Macedonian, I would like to see good evidence backing that up because this likely isn't the case.

KeymasterOne (talk) 16:49, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. The article makes no such claims. As for the talk page, all sorts of editors come here. Most of the threads can be archived here and preferably they should be, since the talk page is getting a bit large. StephenMacky1 (talk) 17:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should typography section have its own article?[edit]

There's an article for

But not one for Cyrillic typography, Could there be one?

- 🐲 Jo the fire dragon 🐉(talk|contributions) 03:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The immediate problem is that those articles are misnamed. IMO, they should be AAAAAA orthography – typography is about page design (which includes typeface selection). That detail apart, it would make sense to have an article on Cyrillic orthography but it will be quite a task:

An orthography is a set of conventions for writing a language, including norms of spelling, hyphenation, capitalization, word boundaries, emphasis, and punctuation.

(which doesn't even mention script!) Definitely worth writing, though.--𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:56, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or did you mean Cyrillic type design?

Type design is the art and process of designing typefaces. This involves drawing each letterform using a consistent style.

Compare and contrast with

Typography is the art and technique of arranging type to make written language legible, readable and appealing when displayed. The arrangement of type involves selecting typefaces, point sizes, line lengths, line spacing, letter spacing, and spaces between pairs of letters.

An article about Cyrillic type design should be fairly easy to write. Cyrillic orthography is still definitely worth doing but is a significant task.
(btw, I have asked for advice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Typography#Misnamed articles? on what if anything should be done about the names of those articles. I am no longer confident in my assertion on how they should be named) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the convention that I've seen on Wikipedia, α orthography articles would have α as a language such as Russian orthography or Spanish orthography etc. 🐲 Jo the fire dragon 🐉(talk|contributions) 16:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jothefiredragon "Cyrillic orthography is still definitely worth doing but is a significant task." I disagree. An alphabet such as cyrillic is a system of graphic units. An orthography is a set of rules for application of those graphic units. The former does not determine the latter, and indeed the various cyrillic orthographies do not represent a unified whole. Even within Slavic languages they range from phonetic Serbian to morphological/etymological Russian. Serbian has the exact same orthography for cyrillic and for latin spelling (Serbian orthoghraphy also largely coincides with Croatian orthography, they are based on the same principles, and yet Croatian never uses cyrillic). Similarly so, OCS used to be written in glagolitic and cyrillic with largely the same orthography. On the other hand, non-Slavic languages had to adapt cyrillic to their own, completely different phonological and grammatical systems.
It is clear, then, that cyrillic orthography does not exist as a unified concept. To write such an article you'd have to cut off closely related systems from each other (Serbian and Croatian orthography) and unite different systems (Serbian, Russian, Mongolian). Just like how there is no such thing as latin orthography – such articles would boil down to retelling and compressing the info already present on pages for individual language orthographies. — Phazd (talk|contribs) 16:47, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are absolutely correct, a thoughtless error on my part. Russian orthography and Serbian orthography already exist, so problem as stated is already solved. To respond to the intent behind the question, Cyrillic type design it must be. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline[edit]

The History section is lacking dates. When did all those events happen? When is the "official" start year of Cyrillic? Please add the years to the relevant events discussed there. Florin Andrei (talk) 18:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]