Talk:Without You (Badfinger song)

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Inspiration[edit]

What was the occasion that inspired the lyrics, the article is a bit confusing right now. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 09:46, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I'm curious to know this too. --Johnleemk 15:41, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'm afraid I've come along LONG after your query, but I added reference to Matovina's Badfinger biography regarding lyric origination. In a nutshell, Pete Ham wrote the verse after leaving his girlfriend for a studio session. She told him it was OK, but "in her eyes her sorrow showed." -- ZincOrbie 23:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mariah focus[edit]

I'm a bit confused: Why does Mariah Carey and no one else deserve an image-let alone the bulk of this article, when her release is not quite as important as Nilsson's, nor did she write the song? It doesn't seem balanced.J. M. 06:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but at least the Carey version no longer has its own article. Also, I've removed the single infobox for Carey's version as the article isn't big enough for more than one infobox and it introduces POV issues. Extraordinary Machine 21:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Without You still her only solo UK no.1[edit]

The article claims it is her only UK no.1 as of 2006, this may create the impression she had another solo no.1 in 2006 so Ive eddited it to 'still remains' her only uk no.1 solo single

Unbalanced and uninformative article[edit]

This is article is so unbalanced as to be worthless. Filled with pointless trivia but no mention of the most important part which is the trial and tribulations of its writers in relation to this song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hzh (talk • contribs) 10:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Hzh (talk) 10:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have twice added the information that the two songwriters committed suicide and both times it was removed. Personally I find that to be more relevant to this song than the minutia introduced regarding the Mariah Carey recording which seems impervious to editing. The song lyrics suggest a possible suicide, and both composers did in fact commit suicide. What could be more relevant? ZincOrbie (talk) 19:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's an interesting tidbit. But it doesn't belong in the lead. Might be worth mentioning in the body of the article. The lead is bad enough already. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • The way the article is structured it is a bit difficult to find placement elsewhere. The only solution I can see would be to trim the lead and then add a Nut graph that focused on the Badfinger recording, adding the information there.ZincOrbie (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oh, nice structural change. Now: "languished as an obscure album track" -- languished? Really? Most songwriters would be happy to wait only a year or so for someone to make a huge #1 hit out of their song. Wonder how this could be phrased better? Or does it need that sentence at all? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 14:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Thanks. Yes, "languished" indicates the song sat around for a long time, and it didn't. I'll tinker it.ZincOrbie (talk) 13:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Living is Without You" No Such Song[edit]

Nilsson's version of "Living is Without You" was also used as the opening tune to 1979's Porridge.

Is there a song called "Living is Without You", and if so, why is it being discussed in "Without You"? Is this an alternate title that was actually used in 1979's Porridge?

According to IMDB, Harry Nilsson's version of "Without You" is part of the soundtrack along with "Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick" and "Free Inside". The reason this bothers me is that by quoting the wrong title, a link to a page warning that Wikipedia has no page for this song is created. This makes it look very official.

Correction: "Living Without You" is a song by Randy Newman that Harry Nilsson covered on his Nilsson sings Newman album. It is even possible that IMDB is confusing the two songs, since it lists "Without You" as uncredited on the soundtrack. Still, that is not the same as "Living IS Without You", and in any case this does not belong in an article about "Without You" unless it is the song "Without You" on the soundtrack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.93.176 (talk) 20:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.93.176 (talk) 20:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Lee (Song)[edit]

The article Ken Lee (Song) was redirected this morning to this article. With the level of detail that article goes into, including transcription of the garbled lyrics, is there any thought to merging, rather than merely redirecting, that article? Jmac1962 (talk) 17:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I salvaged what I thought was relevant but if you want to bring more content in feel free! --kingboyk (talk) 16:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nilsson mistook Badfinger for Beatles[edit]

Harry Nilsson, at the time best known for his hit "Everybody's Talkin'" and for composing such hits as Three Dog Night's "One", heard Badfinger's recording of "Without You" at a party, and mistook it for a Beatles song.[2]


In the main article, there should be a comment on the influence and involvement of the Beatles regarding Badfinger's music after the above sentence, but I don't know the exact facts.


This needs some research: Wasn't Badfinger heavily influenced by the Beatles, and even helped by Paul McCartney on some songs? Weren't they recording on Apple Records? If these are true, it is no wonder that Harry Nilsson would think "Without You" was a Beatles song...

No references; only an aging memory. Perhaps the album liner notes from the CD: "Come and Get It: The Best of Badfinger" has this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.65.216.89 (talk) 06:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nilsson mistook Badfinger for The Beatles because there is a similarity in sound, and yes they were both on the Apple label. McCartney wrote one song that was given to Badfinger to record, and that was "Come And Get It." Aside from that, he produced a couple of album tracks for them. George Harrison also produced some album tracks for the band. Anyway, I'm not sure how any of this relates to the actual composition. "Without You" ws not inspired or produced by any of The Beatles. ZincOrbie (talk) 19:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other Major Recordings of Quality[edit]

Sad that probably the best version of this song ever recorded, other than the Nilsson one, was recorded by Heart on their interesting (both in content and reason-for-recording) album MAGAZINE. Richopp (talk) 13:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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No credit to Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto #2 in C Minor, Op. 18?[edit]

It is amazing to me that this article is more about people who wrote and recorded the song than about the song. The notes. Someone with more knowledge than I have, and more ability, and more time than I can devote to it needs to map the passages in this song's melodies to the passages in Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto from which they originated. Of course I wouldn't swear that Rachmaninoff is the original creator of those either. It's not rare for a composer to rearrange and elaborate something from a previous source.74.64.104.99 (talk) 20:11, 11 May 2019 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson[reply]

I haven't noticed any similarities. I'm guessing that you are confusing this song with Eric Carmen's "All by Myself". Deb (talk) 08:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Air Supply[edit]

Air Supply had a hit with this song in 1989. Why is there no mention of that anywhere in the article? - Lisa (talk - contribs) 13:15, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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