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Deletion of the "Omega Psi Phi brothers" page[edit]
I would like some further explanation to why the list of notable Omega Psi Phi men was deleted? In the debate discussions on the talk page, fraternity membership was deeemed irrelevant. However in the case of an organization such as Omega Psi Phi which is a historically black fraternity, men who have had promiment impacts on society are revered for their membership in this organization.
The page should be returned or a list of notable members should be made available on the main page for the fraternity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.181.114.171 (talk) 17:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]
I'm surprised there's no reference to the Omega brand you often see on brothers. I'm sure it's not sanctioned by their HQ, but it seems to be a large part of their tradition ... anyone think it should be added? Jrssr5 14:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno, seems like a stretch to me to categorize it under OR, but I could be wrong. Here's an article I found about it ... couple years old, but still interesting. Jrssr5 18:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Some members in all NPHC organizations, not just Omegas have brandings (this is from a personal observation). Not all members have to have them, and this isn't required by national headquarters. In my opinion, this doesn't need to be incorporated into the article, because it's trivial. If this article wants to be FA standard, then look at Alpha Phi Alpha as an example. Cheers. Miranda 20:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Trivial? From the outside it seems to be a defining characteristic. I suspect that someone is trying to control a narrative that shouldn't be controlled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.97.197 (talk) 02:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I didn't mean to imply it was required at all, just a seemed like an important part of their tradition. Jrssr5 17:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think some information on the brands should be in this article because it's definitely a part of their tradition and how Omegas and others recognize members of the group. The above linked article is correct when one individual states "I learned about the fraternity by seeing a brand". Information used from the linked article or other verifiable sources would not be considered original research. The Delta Sigma Theta article mentions Elephants as the unofficial mascot because this is a part of the groups culture and tradtion. I believe the Kappas mostly have tattoos, although some have brands.--Ccson 22:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This information is not accurate becuase as i reseached i found that another man was responsible for foundong this fraternity —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.184.221.187 (talk) 15:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What is the name of this person and your reliable source? Hello, and thank you for lending your time to help improve Wikipedia! If you are interested in editing more often, I suggest you create an account to gain additional privileges. Happy editing!
I'm frankly sort of surprised at the lack of a complete list of Grand Basilei. While I know there is a members only area of the Omega Psi Phi National website which I can't get to, I can't imagine the full list of Basilei is limited only to the brotherhood. Anyone have ideas on where to research or have access to the brothers only area of the Omega Psi Phi website to look to see if it is there?Naraht (talk) 15:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Vitruve78 (talk) 19:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Really, the correct Greek plural should be "Basileis."[reply]
According to the source, From the initials of the Greek phrase meaning "friendship is essential to the soul," the name Omega Psi Phi was derived. And I have seen the greek phrase with those initials on several Omega Psi Phi related pages, but the connection that this *specific* phrase which can be translated as "friendship is essential to the soul" doesn't seem to be explicitly stated. I'd like to see it specifically referenced somewhere, the connection at this point, while I personally believe it, feels too close to Original Research. Any ideas for a specific reference?Naraht (talk) 04:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At this point seven of the 9 NPHC members (all except the Omegas and the Iotas) have lists of their National Presidents (or equivalent terms) as Templates (See Category:Fraternity and Sorority President Lists), please add a referenced template for Omega Psi Phi.
I'm not sure whether Que Dog should be removed from the list of nicknames. While the National Organization strongly discourages this usage, the fact that it continues in the face of that might be appropriate for the article.
Both the "Que" and the branding practice, both notable aspects of the fraternity, should be included as a matter of factual integrity.BurntSox (talk) 01:07, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would tend to agree that this article needs to include many of this group's "unsanctioned" practices. It is arguable that nearly all NPHC organizations have rich traditions of unofficial, unsanctioned and even outright banned/illegal practices that are as much a part of there identity as the official ones. So I feel that an informative encyclopedic article would benefit greatly from some commentary on these traditions. Not real secret stuff, but at the very least the ones that the members seem to make no effort to conceal. "Q Dog" used in their groups own FAQs in several universities, members often show off their brands (a very good friend of mine is a member and is over 40 years old), and their initiation practices have on occasion made the mainstream news.Legitimus (talk) 01:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the last entry in http://www.omegapsiphifraternity.org/mofaq.asp , I feel that Omega Psi Phi should be added to both the Christian Fraternities category and to the Christian Fraternities page. I don't see any reason to drop any of the existing categories. In this case (that of a limitation), I think a primary source is fine.Naraht (talk) 14:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The following was deleted by an IP.
Omega Psi Phi is also known for several high-profile incidents of hazing, despite have officially abolished it in 1985. In 1993 at the University of Maryland at College Park 24 members were arrested and tried for beating 6 pledges to the point that some required hospitalization, resulting in that chapter being banned from the university for 5 years.[1]
I'm torn on this, Hazing incidents are generally significant to a specific chapter not the overall fraternity.Naraht (talk) 18:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That is a fair statement; it is often the chapters. Though, one older brother who I spoke with mentioned that hazing is very normal all over the US and they have specific things they do, though naturally he was a bit tight-lipped about it. I also know the book Black Haze by Ricky L. Jones specifically singles out Omega Psi Phi as being known for it. Sadly, I do not have a copy so I cannot give specifics.Legitimus (talk) 01:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
