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Some Spelling Errors[edit]

Corrected a couple spelling errors, such as the "Brazilian death metal ban Sepultura."

And that goes onto the discussion page because...? ;)

Sabotage (Beastie Boys album)[edit]

There is a reference to a Beastie Boys album in 1994. I'm pretty much sure that the name of the album is Ill Communication and "Sabotage" was the hit single from this album. 203.166.96.239 01:41, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Correct. Removed. Jh51681 21:13, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

What?[edit]

I find the talk of the album being considered 'the beginning of Sabbath's decline' far too opinionated. Sabotage is my personal favorite Sabbath album, and that of many other Sab fans that I've talked to. I changed it to sound less opinionated.

One may be able to back up just the opposite of that opinion. James Hetfield has repeatedly listed Symptom of the Universe as one of his favorite songs, and cited Sepultura's cover of it as the reason why Metallica did not contribute to Nativity In Black. See, e.g., http://www.geocities.com/hetfieldinter/inter16.htm 137.113.22.122 (talk) 02:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

<^>v|This album is connected|v<^>[edit]

All song titles serve as redirects to this album or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen ^Talk 17:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that's a good idea. "Am I Going Insane?", "Hole in the Sky", and "Symptom of the Universe" were released as singles, they're even included in the infobox at the bottom of the page, but there's no mention of them in this article. Even back in 2006 it was accepted practice to have separate articles for single releases. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 16:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you feel these songs are deserving of their own articles, go for it. My creation of redirects etc. back in 2006 does not prevent you from doing this.--Hraefen ^Talk 18:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive Metal[edit]

ive heard some call this album one of the earliest examples of progressive metal, should there be a note of that in the article?--Krautukie (talk) 16:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be OK if it were correct. "Heard some call" isn't a reliable source. It has some Rick Wakeman contributions. But the result is Rick Wakeman playing 'heavy metal' with Black Sabbath as opposed to Black Sabbath altering their style any to fit in with Rick Wakeman's contributions. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 21:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

yeah obviously the 'heard some call' is weasely, but some legitimate sources could be found to substantiate it--69.81.91.18 (talk) 22:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to say Wakeman didn't play on 'Sabotage', but on 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath' (on Sabbra Cadabra). Al, UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.10.125 (talk) 02:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How long are the songs?[edit]

On the page for this album, it says Don't Start (Too Late) is 49 seconds. But when I looked for a video to go along with the song on YouTube, it listed the running time as 9:49. Is this a mistake by the video's creator for the song/video to be so long, or is the listing on wiki wrong? What's the right time?????70.110.242.249 (talk) 17:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is definitely 49 seconds. I just verified it with my CD.--Hraefen ^Talk 02:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Megalomania' is more like your 9:49m. 9:45 I think I made it. Not verified by the CD, but by timing the track whilst playing the LP, with a stopwatch, when I was 15 (1983). Only 'Warning' is longer. 'Don't Start' is the brief interlude between 'Hole' and 'Symptom'. 86.129.1.226 (talk) 00:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)Al (UK)[reply]

My edits keep getting deleted by the moderator[edit]

I've tried several times to expand the music and lyrics section by giving a brief description of each song, as well as a short description of the band's legal problems during this time period - which is cited by the bandmembers as the reason the songs and lyrics were so "angry" sounding. At first, my comments were deleted because they were too opinionated - so I tried on each subsequent occasion to use more general, less opinionated, terms - but to no avail. I think I'm just on some sort of black-list that automatically deletes my edits. Metasmitty (talk) 16:15, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, we don't have "moderator's" and this is the best way to add something new to an established article, a discussion. If you keep an eye on this post you started you'll (with the help of the community) be able to reach a Consensus" and resolve your editing problem here. Mlpearc (powwow)(Review me !) 16:24, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All Lyrics Credited to Butler[edit]

In the "Track listing" section, the article reads "all lyrics by Geezer Butler." This does not agree with the album credits which state "All songs written/arranged by Black Sabbath." While it is widely known that Terence "Geezer" Butler wrote most of the Ozzy-era lyrics, I have never seen credit for lyrics attributed solely to Butler on any of these early albums or published sheet music. If the author or editor has a source for this information, please cite it. 71.178.90.176 (talk) 02:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)RichD[reply]

It's a general assumption that Butler wrote all the lyrics but we have to go by what official sources say. I edited the section to credit all music and lyrics simply to Black Sabbath. ChakaKong^talk 03:04, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ozzy actually wrote "The Writ" in anger with their former manager. TheEarthboundFan2001 (talk) 04:01, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Ward does not sing lead vocals on "Blow on a Jug"[edit]

The article says Bill Ward sings lead vocals on "Blow on a Jug", but Ozzy Osbourne does in fact sing the lead vocals. Bill Ward plays the piano and sings scat vocals, in the background. Can this article be changed to show the truth on who sings the leads in the hidden track? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkf12 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Documentary[edit]

I have removed the section of the unsanctioned documentary. The sources added link to a page of the makers of the documentary and the other to IMDB. I found no other sources reviewing or mentioning in detail anything about this documentary, besides listings and mentions on forums. Hence, notability as is required for inclusion on Wikipedia is not shown. bigar 07:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)