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Confusing[edit]

I've marked this article confusing. This is because large sections of it have not been rewritten from the 1911 Encyclopedia. They are therefore now factually wrong, which is confusing until you realise this. For example, the penal colony section, and the section on the native Andamanese. Francis Irving 22:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flora[edit]

What is Siberian coffee? Maybe a mistake or outdated terminology? Maias 07:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Andaman People[edit]

If nobody objects, I'm going to spin off a separate page about the people, who might not be important on a geopolitical scale, but are of stunning significance as a people with their own culture and language group which may be the last remains of those whic inhabited the entire pacific coastal area, along Asia and the islands to its south and west. Kaz 05:28, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Way to go, Kaz! utcursch 11:00, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
I linked to Andamanese from a section on People in this article. Info on the current demography would be worth mentioning here. --Singkong2005 · talk 02:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

previous stuff[edit]

Just noting the 1911ese that I have removed

I removed that the begin to age at about age 40, because that makes no sense to me. Presumably, they age from birth to death just like everyone else. If it means that they reach middle-agedness and all its associated characteristics, then that's hardly remarkable.

I also removed the statement that incest is unknown, because I very strongly doubt it and would like to see some verification.

I removed:

The children are possessed of a bright intelligence. The Andamanese are, indeed, bright and merry companions, busy in their own pursuits, keen sportsmen, naturally independent and not lustful, but when angered, cruel, jealous, treacherous and vindictive.

For reasons that are, perhaps, obvious.

I also removed the statement that there is no idea of government because the second half of the sentence says that each sept has a head (i.e. a government).

Lastly, I didn't take it out, but are they really unable to make fire? And is it true that their language gives "expression to only the most direct and the simplest thought"? Both seem unlikely. Tuf-Kat

mammal species[edit]

The numbers for mammal species don't add up. Correction? Pollinator 17:02, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

tall...[edit]

They really reached a height of 5 meters? That's pretty frickin' tall. Gotta be a typo.

I have just re-read 'The Spotted Deer' by JH Williams - author of 'Elephant Bill'. During the 1920's as a forest officer in Burma Williams was charged with an exploration of the Andaman islands to see if timber could be extracted economically with the use of Elephants. The result of the 3 month expedition is highly readable. Originally published by Rupert Hart Davis in London.

Proposed merging[edit]

This article has very much in parallel with the Andaman and Nicobar Islands article. The two groups of islands have very much a common history. I saw that each one has much useful information which the other does not, and a reader getting to only one would miss the information availalbe in the other. .Adam Keller 08:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • no merge. The Andaman and Nicobar Islands is a political subdivision (in this case, a union territory of India), while the Andaman Islands is a geographic designation (coinciding with the Andaman district, another political subdivision of the UT), similarly for the Nicobars. The distinction could probably be made more clear, and useful info cross-referenced, but the A&I Islands article needs to stand separate from the articles on the geographical and district groupings.--cjllw ʘ TALK 09:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, copied from Andaman and Nicobars talk page: I don't really have a problem with merging, though I am concerned that a combined article could get quite large. I presume that, to be consistent, the Nicobar Islands article would have to be merged as well. Given that much of the history does overlap, there are significant differences in (for example) ecology and ethnology. A combined article would need to have, as well as a section on common history and current administrative status, two large separate sections on the two island groups where they differ. An alternative would be to keep three separate articles but tidy them up considerably and move information from one to another where appropriate to minimise overlap. Maias 04:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No merge Istead, improve all 3 articles:A&N Islands, Andamans, and Nicobars. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WoodElf (talk • contribs) 06:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]
No Merge the Andaman and nicobar islands and the actual andaman islands are seperate, the Andaman and nicobar islands are a 'state' or a 'province, if you get what i mean, and the andamans are just the collection of ilands that are called thatAustralian Jezza 08:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge proposal tag is now removed/closed, as it's evident there's no consensus to do so. --cjllw ʘ TALK 08:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

request for another map[edit]

I think it would help article clarity to have another map, showing where they are in the bay of bengal. Not only that, but not all readers will know on which coast of india the bay is... in short, a more "zoomed-out" map might help... unfortunately, I have no experience with mapmaking. Thanks, Storkk (talk) 17:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps Image:IndiaAndamanNicobar.png could be svg-fied, and modified to point out which island groups are which, then used on both this page and Nicobar Islands page. --Storkk (talk) 17:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:INDIA Banner/Andaman and Nicobar Islands workgroup Addition[edit]

Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Andaman and Nicobar Islands workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Andaman and Nicobar Islands or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 05:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Government[edit]

Can anyone with some knowledge on the subject add to the article how this island group is governed, what its structure is, and what influence the central Indian government has? ChillyMD (talk) 19:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Potential Bias?[edit]

The article seems to have an underlying anti-British sentiment. Such terms as 'concentration camps' are evocative of very powerful emotions and should not be used unless they were actually used by the British administration. I call for much more politically neutral words to be used, so as not to have wikipedia become an unwitting instrument of revisionist history and propaganda. 66.31.55.175 (talk) 21:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the "concentration camp" text. This is a stretch. Normal prison by 19th century standards. 19th century prisons were Not Fun. "Concentration camp" is 20th century terminology. This comes down to the frequently encountered problem in India, to get reliable, unbiased, scholarly information about anything. I left the reference which is fairly reprehensible, because I don't know of anything else offhand that is better! It is pretty bad, but by Indian standards, about average. If you can find a university professor someplace who has written a book, you might have something. But who knows? Student7 (talk) 02:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-British sentiment Basically most of the Wikipedia articles connected to India, Indian politicians, political incidences, Freedom struggles, castes etc. are just propaganda writings that show only a fan, disciple or member version. For example, see this quote from Malabar Rebellion:

Unofficial estimates put the number imprisoned at almost 50,000 of whom 20,000 were deported, mainly to the penal colony in the Andaman Islands, while around 10,000 went missing

That article itself claims that the rioting was an anti-British uprising, yet, in the same article there is inputs that depict the terror that that rioters did to each other. British official intervention can only be said to right and timely. As to the number mentioned also about persons taken as prisoners is not believable. For the places in which the rioting took place were quite sparsely populated. Beyond all that, the number of persons sent to Andamans from this single event of social violence is also quite incredible. For there were many other violence in the sub-continent society. If all such claims are added together, most probably a huge population mass would have accumulated over there on the islands, which would naturally have later wiped out the local native population. --Ved from Victoria Institutions (talk) 08:12, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More bias?[edit]

Under Fauna the following appears: There has been numerous deaths due to their aggressive nature and the government refuses to do anything about it. Sadly, tourist's are not made aware of their existence.

"Refuses to do anything about it" sounds really biased to me. Lilly (talk) 16:31, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An inexperienced editor has been making these edits. They have been reverted. Please revert or delete them when found. Not significant to this article even if referenced. Student7 (talk) 02:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

North Sentinel Island[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese_people Kortoso (talk) 17:37, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Silver Grey wood[edit]

I cannot make sense of this entry in the "timber" section:

Silver Grey (a special formation of wood in white utkarsh)

Could anyone please clarify it? Thanks... --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 23:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Surfing?[edit]

This article really needs a paragraph about white people going to the Andamans to surf? That's encyclopedic? MarkinBoston (talk) 23:49, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adivasis?[edit]

Are Andamans really classified as Adivasis in India, since they are much closer to [black] Melanesians than anything to do with Indian aboriginals? The only reason this is part of India is because of British annexation, so I highly doubt Indians would incorporate them as "indigenous Indians." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.187.216 (talk) 05:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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Etymology[edit]

Expand etymology section. Some sources suggest the island is named after Hanuman. How true is that? ChandlerMinh (talk) 15:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maratha ?[edit]

Of the three citations given for Maratha empire, only one shows any direct evidence connection for any Maratha influence in Andama. Not surprisingly, the source is a defence related forum written by a non-expert hence not WP:RS

  • Source 1 doesn’t make any mentions of Maratha influence in Andaman; it is just a website of Central Public Works Department talking about history of public infrastructure in India
  • Source 2 makes the claim but without any further citations, written by a non-expert in history. The source is an Internet forum hence not WP:RS
  • Source 3 again no mention of Maratha having occupied Andaman. Only time the word ‘Andaman’ mentioned here is about a Sādhu being deported to Andaman during British rule. ChandlerMinh (talk) 04:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

End of Japanese occupation[edit]

An edit today removed the following information, with an edit summary calling it misinformation:

According to Werner Gruhl: "Before leaving the islands, the Japanese rounded up and executed 750 innocents."[1]

The Gruhl reference does indeed contain that claim, and cites two other sources in support of it (although I have not tracked down those sources to verify their claims). What is the argument for regarding the claim as misinformation not worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia? Mgnbar (talk) 19:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Gruhl, Werner (2007) Imperial Japan's World War Two, 1931–1945 Archived 9 December 2015 at the Wayback Machine, Transaction Publishers. ISBN 978-0-7658-0352-8. p. 102.
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