Talk:Hakka people

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Lindi Tsang[edit]

Bubzbeauty (Lindi Tsang) has said her family is Hakka, even though she is Northern Irish. What category best suits her? Ambiesushi (talk) 19:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hakka[edit]

Hakka is a Chinese subgroup under Han people but not an ethnic, i believe under the Taiwan column. if it's an ethnic then Hakka are not ethnically Han people anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.135.47.119 (talk) 01:32, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Request to remove all the date of birth, location, brake names, pronunciation,[edit]

I find the section for the list of historical figures, celebrity extremely messy, unorganized, long, hard, irritating and annoying to read. I really don't understand the point of listing all these date of birth, location, names next to the historic figures when it's already in wikipedia themselves. It would be far more better to just write in more details about what these historical figures were rather than forcing the readers read all the garbage of where they were born or how to pronounce their names first, also why is the description for the detail of these celebrity and figures so short while the garbage about their names, birth, pronunciation so long? please for the sake of the readers make it MORE SIMPLE AND EASY 92.236.36.173 ( 92.236.36.173) 3:50 Pm, Nov 7 June 201

My father Taishanese and my mother is 1/2 is hakka-Teochew but my mum consider herself Hakka and she found this page hella annoying to read like myself. I'm proud of my heritage but I'm disappointing with the way they have been set out. Whoever made this wikipedia did a good job except for the way these names have been set out.

IT IS VERY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO READ LIKE THIS why not just make it easy and simple?

Politicians[edit]

Sportspeople[edit]

BUT IT IS PISSING ANNOYING TO READ THEM WHEN IT'S LIKE THIS

JUST WHAT IS THE FREAKING OF MENTIONING THEIR NAMES, DATE OF BIRTH, LOCATION?

Entertainers[edit]

92.236.36.173 ( 92.236.36.173) 4:14 Pm, Nov 7 June 2013

Hakka migration[edit]

http://books.google.com/books?id=PNnfwOo-WdAC&pg=PA259&dq=Between+the+fourth+and+nineteenth+centuries,+perhaps+five+great+waves+of+migration+brought+Hakka+from+the+central+plains+of+northern+China+southward,+first+to+the+Gan+River+valley+in+Jiangxi+and+then+successively+into+the+rugged&hl=en&ei=mCGCTvT3GoTW0QHG4_ycAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Between%20the%20fourth%20and%20nineteenth%20centuries%2C%20perhaps%20five%20great%20waves%20of%20migration%20brought%20Hakka%20from%20the%20central%20plains%20of%20northern%20China%20southward%2C%20first%20to%20the%20Gan%20River%20valley%20in%20Jiangxi%20and%20then%20successively%20into%20the%20rugged&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=dVzLG1aqlNkC&pg=PA149&dq=–+HaKKa.+A+subgroup+of+the+Han+Chinese.+Most+still+live+in+Jiangxi,+Fujian,+Guangdong,+and+Taiwan.+Because+their+ancestors+were+immigrants+from+northern+China,+local+people+called+the+newcomers+hakka+(guest+families&hl=en&ei=vCGCTvanJYn50gHbsbF2&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=–%20HaKKa.%20A%20subgroup%20of%20the%20Han%20Chinese.%20Most%20still%20live%20in%20Jiangxi%2C%20Fujian%2C%20Guangdong%2C%20and%20Taiwan.%20Because%20their%20ancestors%20were%20immigrants%20from%20northern%20China%2C%20local%20people%20called%20the%20newcomers%20hakka%20(guest%20families&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=vAXnnu1oFhUC&pg=PA172&dq=His+best-known+book+on+historical+sources+for+the+study+of+the+Hakka+draws+in+part+from+Pang's+compiled+volume+of+Shung+Him+Tong+genealogies+to+provide+evidence+of+the+northern+Chinese+origins+of+the+Hakka.51+What+Pang+does+with+his&hl=en&ei=uSGCTurRE6ru0gGqq92eAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=His%20best-known%20book%20on%20historical%20sources%20for%20the%20study%20of%20the%20Hakka%20draws%20in%20part%20from%20Pang's%20compiled%20volume%20of%20Shung%20Him%20Tong%20genealogies%20to%20provide%20evidence%20of%20the%20northern%20Chinese%20origins%20of%20the%20Hakka.51%20What%20Pang%20does%20with%20his&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=2E_5nR0SoXoC&pg=PA110&dq=In+many+parts+of+south+China,+these+%22guests%22+are+still+treated+as+outsiders+and+intruders+even+though+everyone+now+concedes+that+they+are+Han+Chinese.+The+Hakka+identify+themselves+as+northern+Chinese,+and+this+contention+has+some+basis&hl=en&ei=tCGCTpG0BcbZ0QG994mmAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=In%20many%20parts%20of%20south%20China%2C%20these%20%22guests%22%20are%20still%20treated%20as%20outsiders%20and%20intruders%20even%20though%20everyone%20now%20concedes%20that%20they%20are%20Han%20Chinese.%20The%20Hakka%20identify%20themselves%20as%20northern%20Chinese%2C%20and%20this%20contention%20has%20some%20basis&f=false Rajmaan (talk) 01:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Foods - salt baked chicken[edit]

The chinese name for this is given as ham guk gai - this is incorrect, at least in Hong Kong, where it is always called yim guk gai. Ham means salty, yim means salt. Ham has unfortunate connotations, ham sap being a common expression for bawdy or indecent, and therefore would be inappropriate for a chicken dish. In 22 years in Hong Kong I never heard the name ham guk gai; this includes eating at Hakka restaurants, and my wife is herself Hakka. See Sidney Lau' 'A Practical Cantonese-English Dictionary',1977, printed and published by the Government Printer. Perhaps someone could edit the offending phrase? 82.13.81.144 (talk) 23:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Shanxi, Henan[edit]

The article says that the Hakka peoples were thought to be from Shanxi, Henan, and several other places. Are there still remnants of these "Hakka" people in Shanxi and Henan in terms of languages and genetics? 2A00:23C5:C10B:A300:8592:DB69:BB40:170D (talk) 00:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discrimination/ hatred[edit]

In this section, does anyone know that the people described as Cantonese in the article were actually true Cantonese speakers? I thought the people referred to as Cantonese were not/are not actually Cantonese speakers, but just people who claimed that they were natives of Canton but were not/are not speakers of what we know as Cantonese. That is to say, these people could not/cannot speak Cantonese, they should not be identified as true Cantonese, and were not/are not true Cantonese themselves, and they should not be confused with the real Cantonese people, and should not be referred to as Cantonese. 109.156.176.232 (talk) 03:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two paragraphs in this section are almost exactly duplicated. "The Qing Dynasty mobilized officers and men from the local Cantonese peasants to kill the Hakkas, regained the Guanghai villages which was occupied by the Hakkas, and massacred the Hakkas. The number of Hakkas killed was tens of thousands in the Dalongdong area of Guanghai alone.". Very similar to that see under "By Qing Dynasty".

Massacres[edit]

What I don't understand is that in various places in the article, the Hakkas were described as a soldiering people. That is to say, they are/were fighters. If that is/was the case, how is/was that they were massacred? Did they not fight back? 109.156.176.232 (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: Hakka culture[edit]

I suggest merging Hakka culture into this article 174.91.152.200 (talk) 17:16, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Listing Hakkas in Taiwan under the China section[edit]

Taiwan is de facto not a part of China. Shouldn't this be its own separate major section? 216.164.50.120 (talk) 18:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Possible problems with WP:V[edit]

On 15 June, Hakkameizhow and one other editor changed a lot of information in this article without adding any source in which this information can be verified. These changes were reverted by me and promptly reinstored here. I don't know anything about this topic and I'm not going to put my time into this, but I thought other editors should know. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 10:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction[edit]

The lead says the Hakka 'have originated from the central plains' and 'are largely descended from North Han Chinese' immigrants from the north, as the name suggests, but the section 'Origins' says that hybrid origins are 'the most likely and are together supported by multiple scientific studies'. 87.126.21.225 (talk) 07:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Hakka Funeral Customs - Twice burials[edit]

"Twice burial is another custom inherited by the Hakkas during their southbound migration. The deceased was first buried as in any ordinary burial. Three years later however, the remains of the deceased were unearthed, collected in a pottery vessel and buried in a new place, with a new tombstone erected.

This practice can only be explained by the constant move of the Hakka people. For centuries, the forefathers of the Hakkas were constantly on the move. Whenever they were on the road again, they would unearth the remains of their deceased dear ones and carry them along to a new dwelling place and bury them there. The point was to keep the remains of their dear ones close to their residence. The Hakka people are very particular about the structure and location of tombs. Most of the tombs are in dome shape and have to be built high up in the hills, the higher the better for obvious social hierarchy reasons. The structure of the tomb is similar to the early-stage residence i.e. the enclosed house. It is higher in the back & lower in the front and is enclosed."

https://lexpress.mu/article/hakka-customs-and-habits 2A02:C7C:7D1F:D200:C426:BD2C:D058:248C (talk) 13:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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