Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

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Former good article nomineeTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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November 26, 2006Good article nomineeNot listed
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Unsourced additions[edit]

The number of issues, the fact that the stories are original, and the existence of a spin-off are all acceptable to be sourced to the publication itself and need no other sources. Just like the plot summary of a movie.

We have a policy for this for plot summaries. Can you point to an equivalent policy that would support you here, please?

The biggest problem with your edit is that it makes it harder for future editors to improve the article with reliable secondary sources (which, as I'm sure you know, are the favored type of source on Wikipedia). My goal is to eventually get this article into a good shape rather than the mess of original research it currently comprises. Mixing sourced and unsourced information in the same sentence, as you're advocating here, makes unpicking this and creating truly robustly sourced articles much harder. Popcornfud (talk) 21:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PRIMARY, especially point #3: "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." The point specifically mentions album track listings as an example. The number of issues of a comic series falls under the same criteria, as does the existence of a spin-off series. None of what I added constitutes original research, it just states the facts of the published source. oknazevad (talk) 21:30, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
First, you haven't provided a primary source. You've simply attributed these claims to the existing secondary source, which is misleading - they're not in the secondary source.
Second, these are not "straightforward, descriptive statements". For example, to verify the claim that initially adapting episodes of the first animated series, it soon moved to original storylines, readers would have to watch all of the 80s TMNT cartoon, then read all of the Adventures comics, then cross-reference the stories to verify how many of them are original. Popcornfud (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or they could just read issue #5 of the ongoing comic where the new direction was announced in the letters page. Or any off the collected editions where it's described in the introduction. And even then, having to watch every episode and read every issue of the comic to verify the facts does not make a statement OR, it just means that it requires reading the actual publication to verify it. I added archive URL links to the old official website to illustrate the issue numbers, and links there can be used to verify the original storyline aspect. But even then, that's just about making things more convenient to readers. Using the original work, even if it is not online, is still valid and does not constitute OR. The original work fulfills verifiability requirements, and there is no requirement for sources to be online. oknazevad (talk) 21:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand the conflict here. If the answer is to just read issue #5 of the ongoing comic where the new direction was announced in the letters page, then cite that, with the page number, as a primary source. Popcornfud (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles[edit]

Per WP:OTHERNAMES, significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph. This is standard Wikipedia practice - we put also known as [alternative name] in the first sentence.

"Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" was the name used for the franchise in several international markets for several years, including the franchise's commercial peak in the early 90s. I think this is therefore deserving of inclusion in the first sentence.

Yes, we explain why the alternative name was used later in the lead, but that's not the same thing - the alternative name in the lead sentence is used for identification/clarity. Popcornfud (talk) 13:01, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The Kevin Eastman art isn't representitive of the franchise as a whole, thus I think it should be replaced with the franchises current logo. The current logo used for merchandising and events not related to any particular iteration of the franchise. This has been used by the Paramount+ Twitter[1] and for toys [2][3][4][5][6] Averyfunkydude23 (talk) 13:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense to me. It's standard to use logos for franchise articles. Popcornfud (talk) 13:58, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Is the caption I used for the logo fine? Averyfunkydude23 (talk) 11:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good! Popcornfud (talk) 11:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship[edit]

Links related to turtles media censorship outside the US:

Bubbletruble (talk) 08:36, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

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