User talk:Angela/Archive9

>>User talk:Angela/Archive10

Are you the owner?

hi! I saw a new messages link on my screen, I clicked it and saw a message by you. Are you the owner of this cool web site? Congratulations! Where can I read more about Wikipedia? How do I get an account? Where can I chat? 211.0.157.83

Hi sorry I thought my message would automatically putted along with the previous text. Just now I realized the text area is not just a preview but an editable version of the whole page! thanks for your help

Hi, thanks for your help! I learned how to use the Post a comment feature and I got an account. It asked for email but I don't really use it much because I have ICQ so I left it blank. Is this ok? I have many questions and I hope you can help me. how I can put my name on screen after my message and where I can chat and make friends. Do you have ICQ? Thanks. WikiJesus

Questions about being a sysop

Hi Angela. I've recently been made a sysop, and I figured that I'd take my questions about it to the altar of the WikiGodess herself. First of all, about deletions - can a sysop just make a speedy deletion of a junk page without telling anyone? Second of all, the "Deletion of personal pages" under the "Speedy deletion page" - should a sysop just go and delete all of those? And finally, what's the real difference between a deletion and just editing a page and taking out all the text? Oh, and also, is there a standard cut-and-paste message for greeting newcomers? Thanks, Alex S 15:51, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC).

Allow me to butt in... ;D There is no standard greeting that I am aware of; I just swipe the one from User:Ilyanep/Welcome Message and edit the name. Fennec 15:53, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Fennec and Angela for your answers. One more question. When is it appropriate to block a user? Is there a definitive blocking policy? Case in point is 204.63.177.3. I've rolledback several of his vandalisms (which is all s/he posts). Where do I go to suggest a ban/block/whatever the terminology is? Alex S

I have an archive

Feel free to check it if you like, its at the top of my talk page. I get so much mail I have to archive regularly. And no, no one has responded other than you. I think the request for mediation is a bad idea, but it was really the only thing I could think of in order to get some assistance and be compatable with policy, w/o trying to push a quickpoll (which I think may be the real soloution). He has exceeded the 3 revert policy after having been warned talk:fascism, w warning on his talk, now deleted (he deletes everything I put on his talk page w no response other than 'troll' in the edit summary), been unwilling to accept consesnsus regarding his Talk:Fascism/suggested readings, has been abusive both in talk and in edit summaries, and has generally been a horrorshow to deal w. On Wikipedia:Requests for comment/172 there is evidence that this is nothing new, and apparently is his standard. I wouldn't know, my only previous experience w him prior to this was pleasent, agreeing w him about a page he nominated as brilliant prose, and mildly asking him to tone it down when he insulted someones reading abilities, etc.. when they objected to a different article he had listed there. Anyhow the problem is big, mediation w me alone will not help much of anything, and I am mainly looking for advice. Sorry if I went about it the wrong way. Let me know what you think. Sam Spade 17:33, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've copied this to Wikipedia:Requests for mediation so whoever mediates knows what's going on. Angela. 22:48, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

VfD issues

re: "There is no such rule that each request must be made independantly, so this is a perfectly valid listing. and the talk page suggests that there are problems with the references you have cited. Angela. 02:06, Mar 29, 2004 (UTC)"

The point is not that there is a rule per-se, just as the point to any given rule is not that there is a rule. The point is that the person who posted the request intentionally used non-debate strategy to achieve a goal that by any rational code of ethics should be purely a matter of debate.

Secondly, the talk page cannot suggest. It is an inaminate object. Someone suggested, a single person. You are a single person too. Perhaps you could have checked the references and formed your own opinion, instead of being an unwitting sock puppet. Kevin Baas 19:42, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I wasn't voting, so there was no need for me to check the references. I was just pointing out the facts to assist the person who would be making the deletion decision. I do not appreciate you making personal attacks on me just because you're annoyed your pages got deleted. Angela. 22:29, Mar 29, 2004 (UTC)

I am sorry if I appear to be making a personal attack. I am stating critical flaws in what you have said and done, and suggesting another courses of action to take in the future.

The facts had already been stated. Everything you said was redundant. Therefore your statement, since it does not present any new information, can only be construed as taking a side, and it was. That's what you communicated. That's what everybody heard.

You were influencing people's decision. Whether or not you voted is quite irrelevant. Voting is just one way to influence a decision, and the mere act of voting is of no importance. When one is concerned with voting, they are concerned with a decision being influenced. This same concern applies to what you said. In sum, metaphorically speaking, you did vote. (In fact, the administrator who deleted the pages said that there were five votes for deletion, which means that he/she construed your influence as a vote.)

The point is that, as you do not deny but in fact have affirmed, you influenced a decision without being aware of the circumstances. That is unethical. It is also against the deletion policy as stated on the wikipedia votes for deletion subpages.

You have chosen to go along with someone else's opinion and decry something that you have said that you know nothing about, and had chosen to know nothing about. Now you no longer have either of these choices. This is the natural consequence of this type of behavior. Whether it is good or bad? In any case, it is certainly dangerous. Kevin Baas 23:06, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

There were 5 votes to delete without my comment being taken into account; Wile E. Heresiarch, Friedo, Hankwang, Denni and Taku all said delete. I expressed no opinion on this matter; I simply felt it was important to point out that the claims you were making were not true or not consistent with the talk page. I fail to see how you can take this to be a violation of any policies. For example, you said "due process of request for deletion of a page requires that each request be made independently". This is not the case, so I pointed this out in case a new sysop read this as a true statement and thought they could not delete it based on such a comment. You also said "author has submitted references", and I pointed out that the validity of these had been disputed. I did not say I disputed them. I just felt this information should not be left out in case the person deleting did not check the talk page and took this statement to be a reason that the pages should not be deleted. There is nothing wrong with someone noting that additional information is available on a talk page. Your objection to me doing this suggests you have something to hide and did not want people reading the talk page. I suggest you get over the fact these have been deleted and stop attacking anyone who may have been involved with it. Angela. 23:34, Mar 29, 2004 (UTC)

• By due process i mean that process which is intrinsicly deserved by a page. I was not refering to any written code.

• Wile had already pointed out that he disputes the validity of the references, in his request. Noone else has disputed them, and no one has disputed that he disputed them. Your statement regarding this, therefore, was redundant.

• Also, Wile already pointed to the talk pages, saying that more information was available there, again, in his request. So this statement, too, was redundant.

• You did not say that any of the claims I was making were not true.

• Furthermore, a request is not a vote. Congress does not submit a bill to the house and in that house claim a vote. Wile made a request. The dispute is whether that request is accepted, not whether or not he made the request.

• Furthermore, the administrator who deleted the page notated that the keep vote was from the author of the page. The administator noting this communicates that she feels this fact to be significant. If this fact is significant, than the fact that the requestor votes for deletion is equally significant. If one is to be discounted on this association alone, they both are. (The whole reason for being of voting is that the creator and the requestor are a priori considered equally credible.) The administrator discounted the keep vote on this association alone, and therefore the requestor's request is not considered a vote and the requestor cannot vote. Therefore, either there are four votes not including yours, or there was injustice.

• I am not attacking. I am simply stating what has transpired.

Kevin Baas 00:04, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Sysop rescue needed

I've fumbled a series of similar renames, creating quasi-stubs in the places that i actually intended to move an existing page to, and cannot now do the moves. [blush]

If i could, i would move

• List of people by name: Ng to List of people by name: Nf-Nh
• List of people by name: Nk to List of people by name: Nk-Nn
• List of people by name: Nt to List of people by name: Np-Nt
• List of people by name: Ny to List of people by name: Nv-Ny

Your help, deleting my "stubs" or making the moves, would be appreciated. --Jerzy(t) 18:43, 2004 Mar 31 (UTC)

Tnx once more. --Jerzy(t) 18:55, 2004 Mar 31 (UTC)

Sysop

Thanks for the syopping. I will endeavour to use my powers only for good! DJ Clayworth 21:33, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks from Andrewa, new sysop

Thanks for the welcome and support, and especially for the reading list... I will study carefully, and I especially note the two areas in which you suggest that boldness may not be a virtue. Andrewa 04:10, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Welks in advance

Refactoring underway. Meanwhile, for history's sake, please see Wikipedia:Speedy_deletions. ahhh, the perils of differential copyright, in a microcosm! +sj+ 07:07, 2004 Apr 2 (UTC)

Hi

Hi! I am kinda new to this site...so this sends you an instant message and u r online now? Aravind

Thanks

This is a message left by Mr.danny....

Hi, Welcome to Wikipedia. Hope you enjoy it here. I moved your user page to the User namespace. Danny

....wat does he mean and i dont find and link to talk to him. Aravind

Page move

Anglea, can you please delete Iguanidae so that Iguanas can be moved there? Thanks! - UtherSRG 13:07, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! I took care of the lizard link. - UtherSRG 13:23, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks part 2

Dear Angie: Once again thanks for the advice! It was very well received. Usually, so many people get blocked in one day that I dont like going through every single deletion to find my own number. I guess I'll just work on whatever I am allowed to work with!

Seems like someone has de-blocked me from some pages. If it was you, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. Meanwhile, Im still blocked from other pages, such as my desired List of female boxers.

Desire for that page was born out of what I saw that List of boxers only included male boxers so I renamed it to List of male boxers, having in mind there are about 60 more or less known women boxers, including Laila Ali and Christy Martin. And looking how we have List of actors and List of actresses, List of male superheroes and List of female superheroes, and that the page on Women's boxing has a partial list that makes the article look, ugh I harte to admit since I wrote it but..ugly....

Anyways, I just wanted to say , thanks and God bless you! My heart goes out to you!

Sincerely yours, your friend, Antonio He's so Unusual User Martin

Fennec

It was just a comment. I didn't vote one way or the other, because Fennec is a little new still, but I didn't think a poorly chosen April Fool's joke should be held against him either. By the way, I had no idea that expediate was a legitimate alternate spelling, not just a misspelling. You learn all kinds of things here. --Michael Snow 00:31, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I didn't see the talk:RfA poll/discussion until after your message to me. I've now added my two cents (do the English say two pence?) there as well, but thank you for taking the time to personally solicit my opinion too. As a non-voting observer, I believe you read the consensus correctly for Fennec, so well done. And I wouldn't hold out much hope that bureaucratship or any other task here is purely mechanical implementation of the community consensus. The consensus is easily drowned in the noise, and everything we do involves making a judgement about that consensus. Some judgements are just a little harder than others. --Michael Snow 01:32, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You blocked the IP address of the anonymity service JAP

You blocked me because some vandal used the same IP address:

Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Angela. The reason given is this:

Autoblocked because you share an IP address with "I am sexy". Reason "Only edits were vandalism".

The IP address 141.76.1.121 is used by the anonymity service JAP. I use it, because I do not want to disclose my real IP, when editing articles on sensitive topics like pedophilia. Please do not block established users with the same IP! Moon light shadow 11:21, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sysops are permitted and encouraged to IP-block anonymous proxies indefinitely. Please read this Wikien-l post and the thread related to it for further details. Angela. 11:27, Apr 4, 2004 (UTC)

There is no consent in the thread on banning proxy services. I agree with this posting. I understand that you want to block vandalism. However you should make an exception to blocked IPs for established users (accounts that were used for editing for some time, but did not cause any complains). Just restrict account creation and the use of untrusted accounts from a blocked IP. Moon light shadow 14:54, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

RfA

Correction: only 20% support after a week. :-) - Woodrow 17:35, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It depends on whether you consider the neutral votes. - Woodrow 17:53, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!

Dear Angela; Thanks again for helping me1 On your user page you say youve been called many things. Well, I got two more things to call you: Super Angela and my Wikiangel.

Thanks andGod bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Wikidevil Martin

Not a he

But... I'm a she (and feminist)!!! Please say sorry at my talk page because you used the stupud word him. Don't equate me with the stupid boys. You must be a sysop, huh? I am sexy

Erika Steinbach

May I ask you to insert an {{msg:disputed}} notice on Erika Steinbach? Wik is removing it, despite the fact that the article is highly disputed. Nico 21:06, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Bahasa Melayu

Dear Angela;
Nasty piece you have at the top of your talk page. Give me quite a shock. :) Thanks for making me a bureaucrat at bahasa Melayu Wikipedia. Yosri 17:13, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Broken browsers

looks behind him ... "Wasn't I just on Meta?"... I was wondering, since you are a sensible and kindly person, and much more suited to gentle chastisement of newbies than I am, if you could help me out. I have just noticed (and fixed) a problem on Meta where an anonymous user has destroyed Unicode characters in an article, presumably because their browser is incapable of doing otherwise (assuming they've set it up correctly obviously). Is there a standard nice way of letting such people know what the problem is? I couldn't think of a way to put it that didn't seem like shouting and I don't want to be any ruder than I have to, and some days "polite" doesn't come easy. This [1] is the offending edit FYI. --Phil | Talk 17:31, Apr 6, 2004 (UTC)

WikiSex

I saw you deleted a page, so you must be a sysop! Please un-delete my WikiSex page. It was deleted without community consensus by Dori. She said it wasn't encyclopedic but I can't undestand how WikiChess is allowed and WikiSex isn't. There isn't any policy saying Wikipedians can't have virtual sex with one another. Please be consistent with your policies and either delete or allow both chess and sex on the wiki. Regards, I am sexy 21:21, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Did you miss the trolls are banned from this page message? Please don't troll me. I have no intention of wasting my time explaining why wikisex is not encyclopædic. Angela. 21:25, Apr 6, 2004 (UTC)

Go away; didn't you read Angela's troll warning above? Dori, by the way, is a man. As with most communities, Wikipedia offers a certain amount of indulgence for MeatBall:VestedContributors, and you're not one. UninvitedCompany 21:27, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'm Sorry about my mistake on Dori's gender. Angela: I am not a troll! I created Virtual sex to show you I want to be useful and contribute real articles. I just want to have sex online on the wiki, like other people play chess. Why chess is ok and sex isn't? I am sexy 21:28, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

If you want to make a point about chess, please state your point, don't prove it. Angela.

Well, let's assume good faith and pretend the user is honest in their motivations; in that case, the rule does not apply, because she doesn't want to state a point, she wants to have cybersex. Legal concerns notwithstanding, the argument about wikichess is legitimate. Nor would I agree with deleting the userpage because it is offensive, because we've kept quite a few offensive userpages around (e.g. User:Paektu). I'd say start a VfD on the page and/or the chess subpages, do not instant-delete it.

Even if the user is trolling, I would call her a benevolent troll, because her actions could actually lead to an improvement of our policies, and she appears to be generally good-natured.--Eloquence* 21:38, Apr 6, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I remember Erik was the person who tried to prevent people from playing chess. Lirath Q. Pynnor

It wasn't me that deleted the page. Angela

Not understanding you

I added a log archive to Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit; I didn't remove any. Your revert removed it. So I'm not sure what the problem is. If there's something I don't understand, please let me know. --Michael Snow 22:50, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Apology appreciated, but not required. I probably should have included an edit summary in the other case; I tend to be lazy about them, because I rely more on diffs myself and don't always like to trust other people's edit summaries, since they may be self-serving. --Michael Snow 23:03, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Archiving the Village pump

I figured you might appreciate being appreciated for your hard work, so I just thought I'd drop by and say that I appreciate your hard work. "I appreciate your hard work." There, said it ;-). It's people like you that make sites like this usable! - IMSoP 00:49, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mega dittos, er, me too, er, what IMSop said. :) --mav 00:57, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

M-m-m-max ditto! For archiving many other pages, as well. Wikiwealth is flesh and blood -- yours, specifically. (: Great new photo up top, and thanks for the note- +sj+ 06:19, 2004 Apr 8 (UTC)

Jerusalem

Hi Angela. Thank you for your kind words and sound advice on my Talk page. I want to assure you that I do not hold a grudge against you or anyone else who voted against me on the quickpoll. I've followed some of your work here (specifically, on VfD), and I respect and admire your good work and dedication to the project.

The last couple of weeks have been quite stressful for me. I spent a lot of time and energy on the Jerusaelm issue, and I feel that I have achieved very little. This obviously led to a feeling of frustration. Even before reading your message, I decided to take some time (perhaps a few days) to cool off, see how things develop with Jerusalem, and make a decision on whether I want to continue working on Wikipedia, or take a longer break. (I'm not fishing for "please don't leave" here. Really.) If I decide to stay (and perhaps even if not), I'll probably follow your advice and create a summary of my position on the "Jerusalem as capital" issue, which I can then direct people to. I do not want to spend the rest of my life (or even the rest of my time on Wikipedia) arguing this issue. There are many other areas here badly needing attention.

Once again, thanks for you note, and goodbye for now -- uriber 08:49, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The medical staff

Hi Angela. Recently I've been contacting the several doctors on Wikipedia, and I'm trying to breathe some life into the medical Wikiproject. See also my WikiDoc page and the talk page fluff it generated.

In regard to the above, I've got some questions that you might be able to answer:

• How do I arrange for those nice "blue boxes" at the bottom of a collection of pages? They're {{msg boilerplate implements, but I'm not sure who's got control over these messages.
• Are you aware of any medically grounded sysops around Wikipedia?
• Might there be a case for one of us (not me!!!) achieving adminship for this effort?

JFW | T@lk 01:01, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi again, thanks for your pointers in the right direction! I wasn't even aware of the List by fields of interest page! I'll try to involve the others mentioned there. JFW | T@lk 01:30, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Stewards

If Stewards are for all wikipedias (but specially for small) should be possible to know the languages the stewards speaks? ... to avoid problems of communication; I think that kinf of knowledge is relevant, don't you? Thanks. Guillermo 17:30, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Re-thanks :) Guillermo 17:55, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Farsi & Wikisource

Greetings,

Hope you had a good Easter! Thank you many times for your answer regarding a main page; and I apologize, if posting to this page is not the proper format to ask a follow up question; but as a newbie, please feel free to point me in the right direction.

In short: you wrote:

"Wikisource has all languages on one site, so you don't need a developer to do anything. Just create a Farsi main page, and link that to the portal page at http://sources.wikipedia.org. "

My follow up (newbie) questions are:

"where" do I create a Farsi main page? "how" do I link it to the portal page?

Is there a HOWTO/FAQ/man page or the like?

Much obliged.

Khosro

WP Usage Metrics

Happy Easter; amazing egg. What do you think of this graded permissions system? (not posted anywhere else yet... looking for initial feedback w/out the requirement of holding up one end of a public debate) +sj+ 23:42, 2004 Apr 10 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Thank you for the welcome. I'm sure I will like it here, the idea of an open encyclopedia is really good, and I will try to contribute to it the best I can. Maver1ck 08:55, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Happy Easter Angel!

Dear Friend, wishing you a happy easter! Chella 11:01, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Meta

Angela...look at what perl did on meta a few hours ago. And look at this. Don't let me alone on that please :-( FirmLittleFluffyThing

Admin Nomination

Hello, I would appreciate your help by earning your vote as an admin. I have been here about 5 months now and have been nominated. I have made many contributions and have improved on my editing and behavior. I take this seriously, that is why I have gotten into it with Anthony so much. You can look at my user page yourself and see my contribtions. I would appreciate a vote in the yes column if you agree. Again, thanks for your time and help. ChrisDJackson 02:28, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Meta policies

Hello :-) I put a new policy about deletion and another about adminiship access. The first is basically no change. The second definitly is. Tell me if that is okay with you. I have the deep feeling that one day I will be told that was unilateral decision from me, so, not valid :-) Hmmmm. Now, alex is asking sysopship on wikisources, and to be able to make people sysop wikipedia wide. I suppose the first request will be fulfilled by someone, under the motive he is sysop on maori, meta and wikibooks now. In case he is made sysop/bureaucrat on fr by some weird process, I promise I will abuse my steward power, using as support the 100% rejection of french people toward his candidacy as a sysop. Angela, he is abusing the system. This is not ok :-( ant

Quick request

Can you remove tax refund for me? Thank you. -- Dissident 00:48, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, Angela!

Warm thanks for your nice note! All's well that ends well. :) Cecropia 21:49, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Danny

Why is Danny's Talk page protected? -- Dissident 22:26, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Shorthand links

Soliciting your opinion at MediaWiki talk:Communitypage to see if Eloquence's new shorthand approach is better than the table and backlink options. --Michael Snow 23:24, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Active MediaWiki bug?

After waiting 5 hours for someone less clueless than i to respond to WP:VP#Active MediaWiki bug?, i've gotten two responses that were either based on superficial attention, or on as much attention as could be reasonably hoped for plus roughly equal or greater cluelessness. The opportunity to save the HTML or examine the source for whatever instrumentation was there is now past, and i'm prepared to forget it ever happened: it only happened once, so no matter how hard i looked at it, it didn't really happen, and it sure ain't my job, no matter how much i value good dump-busting.

I'm not willing, and in any case too pessimistic, to wade thru SourceForge for this, so if you think there's anyone who might want to interview me before it recedes so far into the past as to rob me of any credibility at all, now is the time to have them contact me. I hope to be off for 8 hours starting no later than 0600 UTC. --Jerzy(t) 01:20, 2004 Apr 15 (UTC)

Tnx as always for being helpful as always. [smile, looking forward now to the next 4.5 hours]. --Jerzy(t) 01:31, 2004 Apr 15 (UTC)

Copyvio

OK, taken the adorable kitten down. :-) Evercat 13:23, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mediation confidentiality

Hi Angela, just to let you know I've moved some talk to User talk:Sannse/mediation confidentiality and added a bit more there. -- sannse (talk) 18:51, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Googlism

Any success contacting the copyright owner for the Googlism about information? - Tεxτurε 20:17, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hello

Hello! I've discovered somone did some minor vandalism (just a stupid comment really) to my user page a while back from a anonymous ip. I was wondering if there's anyway to find who this was? I ask you since you were the admin for my start message. Greyengine5 20:29, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Transwiki - help!

G'day Angela, how are things?

I'm finally having another go at the Transwiki system, but I'm afraid I didn't get very far. The good news is I was stopped before actually doing anything, so there's nothing to fix. The bad news is I can't find a transwiki log in the 9/11 memorial. What's more, I can't find one in French Wikipedia either, although that's the URL given in the this Meta page.

Ummm, suggestions? Andrewa 01:56, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

PS no great hurry. Andrewa 01:57, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Moving off topic discussion

Not at all, thanks! The Trolls of Navarone 08:55, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my nomination as an admin...

...I appreciate it. And thanks for the friendliness of your remonstrance when I was a newbie and mentioned (and praised) a particular bed-and-breakfast in the article on Lancaster, Wisconsin. Dpbsmith 10:17, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

MediaWiki feature request and bug report discussion

In "Random page" returns georgraphic and biographical entries too often You (I think) wrote Added to existing discussion at User talk:Rambot/Random page which is empty? *confused* --ssd 12:24, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing link. Now I'll go read about it. (deleting comment from my talk page, thx for notification.) --ssd 15:54, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Edit summary on diff page

Thanks for doing the finger work! :) --Spikey 15:17, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

(excerpt) I coded it and Tim kindly uploaded it to the test wiki if you want to see it before it goes live in 1.3. Angela. 08:22, Apr 17, 2004 (UTC)

Very nice!! Thanks!!! What's the timeline on the 1.3 release? Ahh, I see no date on the roadmap page. Is it like soon or not much further now...yes much further! --ssd 15:59, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I noticed that this change wasn't listed on the test wiki's main page. Is it considered too minor, or is this an oversight? --ssd 05:03, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

A little HTML help?

Hi, Angela. Could you look at my user page and tell me how to make the text inside the red box white? I've tried everything I can figure to do and it won't come out the way I want it. Thanks. RickK 20:03, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Why did you have to say font color="#ffffff" twice? RickK 20:32, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Oy. Thank you. RickK 20:40, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

User page redesign

Hey, I like your redesigned user page. Very clean and elegant. And the page looks nice too. Martin 01:03, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Ditto ;) Dysprosia 01:07, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yeah. It looks nice. ✏ Sverdrup 21:35, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I really like the new look on your page, and the quote is *hilarious* →Raul654 02:01, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguations

Hi. I note your recent edit at Stardust. I've had a slight preference for having the titles of the disambiguated pages visibile. I was wondering if there was some policy about Wikipedia:Disambiguation I've missed that link names should be hidden on disambiguation pages? Or is this at present more a matter of personal preferences? Also, I'll add my voice to those admiring your new user page design. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 02:19, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think I can answer that. The text in both the article being disambiguated and the disambiguation article itself should be whatever makes the article's text flow smoothly. Sometimes hiding the full link name to keep it the same as before the disambiguation is best; sometimes expanding the name in the article clarifies the article anyway. Different people have different styles, some work better. If you think you can make the text better than it is, you should. Be Bold. Did I answer the right question? --ssd 06:14, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Food for thought

Angela, By adding comments such as "not sure if I'm allowed to say why" you only make people's ears perk. Consider in the future not adding such tantilizing clauses. Cheers, Kingturtle 04:16, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/RickK

Thanks for taking care of this. Does the Wikipedia:Requests for comment/RickK stay permanently even though it's been deleted off of Wikipedia:Requests for comment? RickK 20:54, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. RickK 21:00, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Moving Pages

Hello. I was wondering if I might ask for a little help from an admin. In an attempt to take care of many articles pointing to the "Plateau" disambiguation page (when the vast majority should go to Plateau (geology), I tried to move a few things around without realizing that what I wanted to do required that an article be overwritten. I moved Plateau to Plateau (disambiguation) and now I'd like Plateau (geology) to go to Plateau. After this is done I'd be happy to go through all the Whatlinkshere pages to confirm that everything is pointing to the right place, but I'm not able to move Plateau (geology) to Plateau. If you could either do this or move Plateau (disambiguation) back and let me know why I shouldn't have done that, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! -- Jrdioko 18:16, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)

Yep, that did it. Thanks! -- Jrdioko 03:24, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

Meta RFD

Yes. Sorry about that. I will remove the vfd tags. Perl 19:28, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Requested deletion

I accidentally created this page: User:Simon/Mayer/Test/, I inserted the extra forward slash between my forename and surname. Please could you delete it because it's just clutter where it is. SimonMayer 22:12, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mediation

Thank you for agreeing to mediate the dispute between Kevin Baas and me. I've read the confidentiality agreement and find it entirely acceptable. Because you are the mediator, I defer to you with regard to the venue, though I don't have irc capability. Denni 03:50, 2004 Apr 20 (UTC)

Mediation and quickpolls

I know it's sort of quixotic, since it's pretty clear that these two don't want to mediate. My reasoning is something like this - 1) a request for arbitration would likely have been rejected by the committee, because it wants to see other dispute resolution methods tried, and 2) since they qualified for a quickpoll, I wanted to propose a different remedy rather than letting someone else propose a ban (and possibly see it applied inequitably). So I'm trying to be a little creative and at least have the request for mediation made, after a fashion. Having made that request, if it's up to me the next time I will be requesting arbitration. --Michael Snow 04:54, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Angela,

I've received two messages from you. The first, when I created an account, was, I figured after a little scouting around pro forma, and I didn't want to take bandwidth responding. The second is, I suspect, less so. but I'm not quite sure. If it was, pardon this reply. If it wasn't, thanks for welcoming me as an admin. I'll do my best.

ww 13:42, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Test Wikipedia

Ugh. I sure hope that the top bar will be floating, or else I'll have to scroll up /hit the end key before editing, discussing, checking the page history of an article??? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:34, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

Steward election: Congratulations!

I'm slowly getting around to writing to congratulate those who were elected as Stewards. I'm so glad that you were one of those chosen, Angela. Congratulations to you. By the way, I see your user page has had a big facelift! It looks great! David Cannon 21:09, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Deleting RfC user disputes

Angela, Mav - I think we have agreement that for RfC user conduct disputes, the policy should be that removed=deleted. I have changed the RfC page and the template for listings accordingly. Based on this, we have the following old listings that I believe should be deleted:

Space Cadet, RickK, Danny, Wighson, Mr Natural Health, Cantus, Dwindrim, Tannin, Exploding Boy, Halibutt, 172, and VeryVerily.

Because I don't have the ability to delete pages, I must ask the two of you to handle this chore. Additionally, this means that I can't continue to handle the task of removing uncertified RfC listings in the future, and either you or other admins will need to take responsibility for this. --Michael Snow 21:16, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Adminship nomination

Thank you for your confidence; I have accepted the nomination. I had given serious thought to requesting adminship before, but decided not to, preferring instead to leave it up to the community if anyone wanted to nominate me. As it is, I was a little hesitant to raise this issue because I didn't want to angle for a nomination, but the problem needed to be addressed somehow. Thank you also for doing the work of deleting these old pages. --Michael Snow 22:08, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

What was supposed to happen with this?

Me again. What was supposed to happen with ratshit? You removed it from VfD some time ago. The content has been transferred to Wiktionary, and your note on Wikipedia:Transwiki log indicates it was deleted, but the actual deletion hasn't happened. --Michael Snow 23:16, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi

It's really me. anthony (see warning)

Confession

Hi, A. I posted this on a couple talk pages of users active on Recent changes, w/o getting any response. And i'm going to drop soon if i don't go to bed, so i'll leave it for you, for 5 minutes just in case you're watching for action w/o editing, and for eventual attention in any case:

Could you take a quick look at Talk:Motif of harmful sensation#Confession? -- you've at least been around longer than i, & may be able to advise me if i need to do more. --Jerzy(t) 09:09, 2004 Apr 21 (UTC) Or in this case, you're A., what else is there to say? [smile] TIA --Jerzy(t) 09:09, 2004 Apr 21 (UTC)

Hmm, somehow feels kind of nice to, for once, get back to you before you reply. Hope you have been enjoying sleeping at a reasonable hour, or otherwise finding another place to spend some time usefully. [smile]

Via Dysp's suggestion, i ended up settling on

Wikipedia:Peer review#Motif of harmful sensation

and that puts my mind much more at ease. Thanks for your attention, and be well. --Jerzy(t) 15:36, 2004 Apr 21 (UTC)

Timescales for mediation?

Hi Angela,

As a mediation "old hand", I hope you can answer a couple of questions that don't seem to be addressed by the Wikipedia:Requests for mediation notes. What happens if an editor doesn't respond to a mediation request? And is there a set timescale for mediation - i.e. 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month or whatever? Grateful if you could clarify for me. BTW, with regard to the mediation that I've requested, I have no preferences as to who the mediator might be - I will accept anyone appointed by the committee. -- ChrisO 13:39, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Admin

Hi Angela, if you have a moment, could you make me an admin? Nohat 21:45, 2004 Apr 22 (UTC)

Ta

Thanks for the é/e suggestion. - Jeandré, 2004-04-22t22:03z

Levzur mediation

Dear Angela,

Thank you very much for your message.

Unfortunately, "Wikipedia" is not a true Encyclopedia and dear administrators of this "Encyclopedia" are not encyclopedists! The so-called "principles" of "Wikipedia" are idiotic. I am scientist, historian and main principles for me are the principle of historism and impartial description of historical facts and events!

With kind regards,

Levzur (Dr. Levan Z. Urushadze)

Tbilisi, April 23, 2004

Moving on to arbitration

Just wanted to note my appreciation of your help with this - I'll take the matter to arbitration now, if you have no objections. -- ChrisO 14:49, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Advice on annoying user

Hi Angela

I wonder if I could solicit some advice from a more experienced Wikipedian. An anonymous user has been adding what looks like personal information to April 20 and April 18. I asked for an explanation, got nothing, reverted it, asked on talk and their user talk. Got nothing. This happened a few times, so eventually I banned them for 24hrs. When the ban expired they came back, repeated the changed and posted a single comment, signing themselves User:Michael. Michael was before my time, but I've seen a lot of comments about him. I was considering a 7 day ban, but the signature inclines me to make it longer. Any thoughts or other suggestions you have would be welcome. DJ Clayworth 15:37, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mediation

Hope I didn't annoy you, sometimes jokes go awry online. I ment only a gentle pointer towards your rather unprecedented power/popularity (they are synonyms here, arn't they?) on the wiki, and to make it clear that I was responding to your request on my talk page. Hope I didn't get you annoyed or anything, I'm well aware of my tendancy to appear abrasive at times, regardless of my intent. Anyways... mediation IS for article content? Sam Spade 20:14, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Berkshire

I just realised you're from Berkshire. That's just down the road from me... -- Graham  :) | Talk 17:11, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Greetings

Hi, Angela

Thank you for welcoming me to this community.

Regards, Suhit Kelkar

Simple Wish

Just thought of wishing you with this poem. Have a nice day! --Rrjanbiah 19:52, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

SQL

Hi! You mentioned on the admin voting page that the policy about admins and SQL queries had changed. Could I ask you to update Wikipedia:Administrators with the details? This was where I obtained my misinformation. Thanks.

Derrick Coetzee 06:08, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

RfA

Thanks for the nomination. It's nice to be noticed! --rbrwrˆ

Thanks for welcome

and for the tips. I'm unlikely to be a large-volume contributor but I am tickled pink by the concept of the Wiki-, and will be interested to watch how it works, and doesn't. Not being much of a Nethead means I have to wade through some of the jargon-concepts clicking on every sublink (trolling, etc) and I've had to engage my philosophy circuits as well, which can only be good!

Wurzeller 00:07, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

BJAODN/WikiSex

Hi. Since I deleted this article this evening according to wikipedia policy, someone has listed it on Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion. Please pay a visit and vote for it to stay deleted. -- Graham  :) | Talk 03:12, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Meta welcome

Thanks for the message for me on Meta! BozMo aka AndrewCates!

Certain article

Hello Angela, thank you for taking the time to drop a note on my talk page about the deletion of the redirect to the article about my son. I assure you that I am happy about what has been done; I agree wholeheartedly with the Wikipedia policy against filling the encyclopedia with lighthearted trivia. I'm happy to keep it in my own user space, where I think I'll rewrite it with a list of Wikipedia articles that I think he should be reading. It was kind of you to take the time to explain - thanks again:-) David Cannon 11:06, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Ted Husing

Hi,

Have started work on the list you sent me. If you want a sample of my work, could you look at Ted Husing.

Regards,

Suhit Kelkar

Uploads and welcomes

Thanks for restoring the links/text on the upload page. I do think it had gotten a bit text-heavy, but the solution went a bit too far. Thanks also for welcoming User:Lynnea9. Niteowlneils 17:37, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

A user page

Hello Angela

I would like your advice regarding User:Daniel C. Boyer. IMO, that user page goes beyond the bounds of taste and policy regarding use of user pages. What do you think? I did mention my concerns at User_talk:Daniel C. Boyer and received no reply. UninvitedCompany 18:25, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Your comments please

Hi, sadly no-one is coming forth to offer their input or opinions upon the West Papua Talk page as Tannin requested some days ago. In light of the almost breakthrough with John_Kenny could you perhaps make some comments? Maybe even have a look at my version of the article.

(I'd love to know if I'm guilty of this horrible level of POV in the article that he accuses me of.) Related articles I've been working on Melanesia, Papua_(disambiguation), West Papuan Genocide, Maluku. Sorry to ask, but we need an outside opinion so badly. Thanx for reading this anyway.Daeron 18:45, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

As expected, my update was reverted over. (This is my edition of West Papua article.) Unlike their current version, my version does not paint Papuans as dumb black men being lead by his nose by a mission teacher; nor being saved from the Japanese by the brave white man. The whole of WW-II was barely noticed by most Papuans, those that meet the Japanese (the soldiers who'd been conditioned for the conquest and to dish out brutal treatment) quickly decided to avoid the Japanese; and disappeared into the jungles (so to speak). Nor where the Japanese going to spend ten divisons of men searching the New Guinea highlands for a people that didn't want to know them. Nor does my version say Papuans never knew there was an outside world, they've been traders for tens of thousands of years for goodness sakes.

They have taken the start of a good article and turned it into a weird mix of Hollywood and reality, with subtle innocent looking edits like changing "had taught" to "who taught" combined with removing the next sentence "The teachers who graduated from the college became the source and pioneers of Pan-Papuan nationalism.". Suddenly 'nationalism' sounds like a mission teachers nutty promotion, instead of something qualified teachers started talking with fellow Papuans about.

Am I wrong for suspecting Wik & John would have the article on their Watch-list and would revert any input Tannin or I ever submit again.? Both the pages "Revision history" record, and the comments by John to Wik, as well as other comments; seem to me to suggest something along those lines.Daeron 06:01, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

As I said before, I think you need to start a poll in accordiance with the wikipedia:dispute resolution process. Angela.

Tom Radulovich copyvio

Hello, Angela. I have a question. Do you think that Tom Radulovich has rewritten the text in the "Wilber's Five Phases" section of the Ken Wilber article, which he took from [[2]] enough for it to be copyright-free? I have not yet brought it up on the talk page.Goethean 20:59, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Holocaust revisionism

Thanks for your assistance in the ongoing Holocaust denial/Holocaust revisionism/Holocaust Revision debacle. I'm also an admin, but if I started protecting those pages it would look as if I was doing so simply to protect my own edits and POV. So your third-party protection of that page is much appreciated. --Modemac 01:12, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

No edit conflict?

While patrolling RC, I came across vandalism by 67.240.137.55, reverted and started tracking his edits. I saw that Evil Saltine was already hot on his trail, and that you had reverted this user as well. Then I noticed something really odd. I had reverted the vandalism to List of state leaders in 1914 almost simultaneously with Evil Saltine's reversion of the same page. I never received an edit conflict, though. Shouldn't I have received an edit conflict, since another user edited the page while I was doing so? Confusing... SWAdair | Talk 09:02, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Nomenclature

Hi Angela, hate to bother you but I'm at a dead end...
Given the overwhelming support of the WikiPedia doctors (at WikiDoc) I'm trying to change policy concerning the naming of medical articles. Chemistry and biology items largely follow the "professional" nomenclature, and in my view medicine should follow suit. User:Ksheka tried to have Myocardial infarction cleared so he could move [[heart attack]] there, but was shouted down for policy reasons (this featured in Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion recently).
I have raised this on the "naming conventions" talk page, but so far only my WikiDoc pals have been responding affirmatively.
How do I get debate started on this issue? Who should have final say? Who will oversee the policy change?
Your help is warmly appreciated.
JFW | T@lk 01:08, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your swift response!

Most of the discussion took page on the "redirects for deletion" page, but this has now been deleted. I'll try to retrieve it... Where do you suggest I submit all the details of the discussion?

As for the WikiDoc—you're right that this belongs on a WikiProject page. I've used the subpage to get some sense of an agenda. I'll try to move the whole kaboodle to a suitably-named WikiProject somewhere during the next few days (depending on domestic responsibilities.
JFW | T@lk 08:52, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Sysop status on nl.wiktionary.org

Hi Angela,

I created a pages where the sysops are listed on nl.wiktionary.org and I made a link to the page on meta.wiktionary.org. I have a few questions though. Do I also need to make a request on nl.wikipedia.org? The people there don't know me. It would make more sense to put a request for comments on www.wiktionary.org, as that's where I have been contributing quite actively for more than a year now. Many thanks, Polyglot 10:12, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Replied at nl.wiktionary. Angela

Hello Angela,

Dutch is my mother language. I added a comment on Wiktionary so people from there can comment on my application. I'll add a comment on nl.wikipedia.org as well. I'm only not sure where to do it. They seem to have a form that's going to create an email to all the sysops. I would prefer to add it to a page, like I did on en.wiktionary and nl.wiktionary. I'll add it to their beer parlour counterpart. I also invited them to come and join in. It's a bit lonely out ther for the moment. Polyglot 13:08, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the note

Hello, Angela! Thanks for leting me know that someone accused me being a vandal. Of course I reject this accusation; in fact I'm pretty glad that more people will see the little chat we had with Avala on Talk:Janez Drnovsek. --Romanm 19:54, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Stubs

Your stub quotes page is a thing o' joy. It looks to be very much your page though, so I didn't add to it. However, my observation of stubs is that they are like seeds. Some fall on the hard grounds, where they die. Some are carried off by birds to be pooped out in places like E2 or other wikis. Some grow into tiny little plants, but as tiny little plant seeds, that've done all nature intended. But some go on to be great articles, all because someone thought to leave a little stub. Denni 20:48, 2004 May 2 (UTC)

Query

A while back, you told me that links to Wikipedia space were unacceptable in article text as part of why the Critical Theory box needed changed. I've changed the box, and I'm more satisfied with its current form anyway, but I was just wondering if this was a hard rule or not. Both GFDL and Wikipedia do have links to Wikipedia space. Snowspinner 00:06, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I will treat them as "to be avoided if at all possible." Speaking of which, have you looked at the new box, and is it more acceptable? I've taken out all references to the WikiProject itself, I think. Snowspinner 05:28, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

:)

Hi!! It's me, Mero(vingian). Please block me on en, meta, simple, mg, la, and sa; please de-sysop me on en, simple, and mg. This vacation is going along great so far; thanks so much! --Merovingian ↕ T@Lk 04:07, May 3, 2004 (UTC)

Adminship

I have nominated you for adminship at sep11:Wikipedia:Administrators. --"DICK" CHENEY 16:01, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

Meta

I would like to thank you for your role in reclaiming the meta from the trolls. UninvitedCompany 18:22, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm Jealous

Ok... I'm jealous... your new user page is way better than my new user page... :(

On another point, are you planning to restore your compromise on Schnorrer? It would seem the best time for me to protect the page rather than when one side or the other has made their revert. There is no other content edit being done so I can see no reason not to protect the page from edit. - Tεxτurε 22:06, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Delete-and-move request

I am breaking List of people by name: Bo-Bq into List of people by name: Bo and List of people by name: Bp-Bq (so that List of people by name: Bo can in turn be cleanly broken up into several pages).

This requires deletion of the link-w/-history List of people by name: Bo so that List of people by name: Bo-Bq can be moved back to it. The ideal is to do this when we are both on simultaneously, so that i can immediately run around eliminating the double redirects that will result from the move, but IMO use of the ones that will become double is very light, so there is little harm to doing the deletion, with or without the move, and letting the doubles (and the MediaWiki: changes) ride for part of a day.

Thanks once again. --Jerzy(t) 05:05, 2004 May 5 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I didn't expect to be on-line this long, but here i am, and it's great timing. I'll get back to work on that. --Jerzy(t) 08:24, 2004 May 5 (UTC)

Merci pour l'accueil

And thank you for telling me about the poll. Have a nice day. Beatnick

Wik's calls for revert wars and insult list

I was not "playing" with his page, but replacing his call for revert wars and his insult list with links to the applicable Wikipedia policies. Anárion 09:18, 5 May 2004 (UTC)