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On 10 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Niʻihau. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Trivia[edit]

In 1992 Universal Pictures was allowed to film scenes for Jurassic Park on the island.^[1]^[2]

I've moved this trivia to the talk page. There are dozens of films shot in Hawaii. If this is important, surely there must be something else to say, or perhaps there is an article about films in Hawaii where it might be appropriate. Viriditas (talk) 12:18, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Green Guide: Olokele Canyon, Niihau, Hawaii Islands.com
^ Eric P. Olsen (February 18, 2003). "Hawaii Plantsman Confounds Greenies; Keith Robinson has a green thumb with endangered plants and a belief that the 'green' tactics used by the environmental establishment are a total waste of time". Inisght on the News blog. CBS Interactive Business Network. Retrieved October 25, 2010.

Close paraphrasing[edit]

Per Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing, I've removed content that copied too closely from the source.[1] I've explained my reasons here.[2] Please rewrite the material in your own words, or use proper quoting and attribution. Viriditas (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Family Tree[edit]

Why is the family tree in the article? Wouldn't it be more appropriate in an article about the Robinson family rather than an article about an island. Plus, according to the family tree, Aubrey Robinson and Alice Gay are first cousins, which seems odd since they married each other. Is that possibly vandalism? There is no source or references for the family tree. Martylunsford (talk) 16:14, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think first-cousin marriage was fairly common in the 19th century, but I don't know if this tree is accurate or not. It was originally added to illustrate how the ownership of the island changed hands over time within the family ("Owners' family tree"). User:W Nowicki first added it to the article in late 2010.[3] I also agree that we should have a source for this information in order for it to remain, so I support removing it. Viriditas (talk) 21:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Moving this content here from the main article for an editor to work on. It lacks explicit sources:

The term Niʻihau, by itself, has no real meaning, other than referring to the island or an inhabitant of the island. One known epithet for Niʻihau i ke kīkū, meaning "Niʻihau leans firmly back", thus implying that the people of Niʻihau are independent, slightly contradictory to the accounts of those inhabitants completely deserting the island, seeking refuge, from a famine and drought, on Kauaʻi. In one of the earliest known maps done by Cook's crew of the Hawaiian Islands, puts Niʻihau's name as Neehow, then in 1798 an early French map of the islands calls the island Oneeheow. Also, in the 1840's, in a printing by Lahainaluna School, the island is called Niiheu.

Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 20:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ni'ihau translates as milk-island-big-seed. That means food for the island consisted of milk and fruit. Which makes sense due to the lack of free flowing water. Fifty years ago I had a school classmate who had lived there. She said her diet was of fruit supplemented with occasional fish. If the language includes letters T and R, instead of K and L, then the residents are speaking Polynesian, not the Hawaiian dialect. The Hawaiian dialect developed after the arrival of westerners. The original Hawaiian Bible wrote K and L for the sounds of T and R. This resulted in the shift in pronunciation from Polynesian to Hawaiian. My Flatley (talk) 17:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Niihau incident[edit]

Current version states " A Japanese navy fighter pilot crashed on the island and terrorized its residents for a week after the attack on Pearl Harbor" is not objective - "terror" (time between pilot escaping and being killed) lasted less than 24 hours and even during that time he did not exactly terrorize random villagers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.91.86 (talk) 14:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Niihau dialect[edit]

From the article: Oral tradition maintains that the Niʻihau dialect is closer to the Hawaiian register spoken during the time of discovery; there is linguistic evidence to support this claim.[citation needed]

Here's an article which seems to support this claim. (See section "A living language.") I'm putting the link here in case anyone wants to verify this, and possibly cite this article in the Wikipedia article. https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/content/keepers-flame-how-cultural-practitioners-are-preserving-niihaus-unique-traditions

Omc (talk) 20:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Omc. I read the article, and agree with you about support for the claim. I have included it as a reference.--FeralOink (talk) 07:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

legal and economic history[edit]

The article says, "Elizabeth Sinclair purchased Niʻihau in 1864 for $10,000 from the Kingdom of Hawaii". I'm not sure what that means? Was the island no longer part of the Kingdom of Hawaii? Apparently there was no private property? Were the residents and their homes also sold to Sinclair? Did the residents lose their traditional land rights? Did the Sinclair family essentially become feudal lords until the present day, with no residents owning property and the absence of any local elected governing body that is not subjugated to feudal power? 2A01:E0A:E:9050:6820:419F:7C33:36D3 (talk) 09:52, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Population and school[edit]

Here is an opportunity to make the article more accurate: if the population ranges between 35–50 people, it seems very unlikely that 25 to 50 students attend the Niʻihau School. 25 out of 35 residents are school-aged? 2601:281:CC80:5AE0:78EE:830:5C67:14E6 (talk) 01:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So this is a cult owned island, and the best advert for nationalizing land there is. The natives are kept in the dark, forbidden telecommunication devices, and have their votes stolen from them. Cult alert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.6.10.171 (talk) 14:02, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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[1] Green Guide: Olokele Canyon, Niihau, Hawaii Islands.com

[greenie-2] Eric P. Olsen (February 18, 2003). "Hawaii Plantsman Confounds Greenies; Keith Robinson has a green thumb with endangered plants and a belief that the 'green' tactics used by the environmental establishment are a total waste of time". Inisght on the News blog. CBS Interactive Business Network. Retrieved October 25, 2010.

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