Talk:Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Social Security

Moynihan also served on Bush's Commission to Strengthen Social Security. Seems worth including. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:6E00:BB60:100C:22E:78AC:8242 (talk) 07:22, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

extreme liberal bias in article

Can we try to clean up this dog pile? The article should be more encyclopedic. Can we work on that? For example the liberal who wrote this has the attitude that the subject's "progressive" (liberal) positions are good and his more conservative positions are "controversial". That's a loaded word. Were Moynihan's positions really controversial? I seem to remember it was the Clintons' government takeover of healthcare in the 1990s that was controversial leading to its ultimate failure. Indeed on that, Moynihan on one of the Sunday chit chat shows said the USA did not have a healthcare crisis but we did have a welfare crisis. Why isn't that in there? Thats a famous quote and its been yanked. Opposition to "HillaryCare" was NOT controversial. That is a fact. The majority opposed the changes the Clintons wanted. Lets try to clean this up rather than throw it all away and start over. --2600:6C65:747F:CD3F:791A:1FF1:4032:A3FA (talk) 10:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree that this article reeks of personal agendas, actually on both sides of the coin. Moynihan was a generally centrist politician, who at times across his career was both actively liberal and one of the original neo-conservatives. That said, the goal of Wikipedia articles should be NPOV, and the combination of word choices, issues covered and weird trivial snippets (a disturbed person mentioning in his suicide note a piece of legislation Moynihan sponsored?!) make this a pretty poor article. I wish I had the time to do a full clean-up/rewrite to NPOV, but I don't, so I hope someone does.Yorker (talk) 18:07, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Stuff

"...Timothy Patrick, Maura Russell, and John McCloskey" Could we put last names in here, if they're missing, as I suspect? After all, while it seems obvious the sons ought to have the same surname, it's not necessarily the case, and it leaves one wondering whether "Russell" is a middle name or married name. If those are all first name and last name only on account of their being stepsons or whatever, just ignore this request. -- JohnOwens 05:48 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)

---

<< Could we put last names in here . . . >>

Go for it. -- NetEsq 06:01 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)

OK, after scoping a few news sources, I found a few that put Moynihan at the end of that phrase, which still doesn't make it clear whether it's supposed to apply to all three or just John. But I put that much on anyway, for now. If I find any mentions of "Timothy Patrick Moynihan", I'll patch it later. -- JohnOwens 06:30 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)

"Pat" not "Daniel"

In formal references, such as in news articles and on television, Moynihan was generally referred to by his full name, "Daniel Patrick Moynihan" (rather unusual for an American figure). However, those who want to use a shortened version of his name should take note that he was informally known as Pat Moynihan, not as "Daniel." Acsenray 19:53, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

making some changes regarding his gov't career in the 1960s

I am putting in the specifics of his jobs, I don't see any reason to write: "various cabinet and subcabinet posts". I also plan to include how his work contributed to the schism between the progressives and the more radical left in the early 60s. Morris 23:10, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

Nixon staff

what is that comment about "being one of the few intellectuals in the Nixon inner circle"? Unless someone can create an adequate objective definition of "intellectual" (a word more appropriate to European and Russian social classes, if there is any objective definition at all), that phrase should be removed. Or at least think of a better word than "intellectual."

-- I clarified that part of the article -- Morris 03:41, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: Organizations and people who predicted the collapse of the USSR

I added Daniel Patrick Moynihan to [[Category:Organizations and people who predicted the collapse of the USSR]] because of this reference, which talks about organizations and people who predicted the Soviet Union would collapse:

Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan in a series of articles and interviews from 1979 onward discussed the possibility, indeed likelihood, of the breakup of the Soviet Empire.

Laqueur, Walter (1996). The Dream that Failed : Reflections on the Soviet Union. USA: Oxford University Press. ISBN: 0195102827. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) p. 187

IRA

Isn't this guy the senator who used to provide the organisations that raised funds in the US for Irish Republican terrorism campaigns in the UK with political protection? If he is, it ought to be mentioned. Chicheley 22:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

recent edit needs some clarification

In the very long sentence below, is the bold part a direct quote, or is it the interpretation of the editor? If the latter, I believe that is is an oversimplification. I previously put a little bit on this point in the section of the article about the Nixon administration.

He authored some 19 books, including Beyond the Melting Pot, an influential study of American ethnicity which he co-authored with Nathan Glazer in 1963, followed by The Negro Family: The Case for National Action otherwise known as the Moynihan Report in 1965, which blamed the plight of black families on the fact that they are populated with black people; he ignored racism and official racist policy altogether; he referd to black families as a tangled web of pathology; in other words, it's there own fault thay are oppressed, The Politics of a Guaranteed Income (1973), Family and Nation (1986), Came the Revolution (1988), On the Law of Nations (1990), and Secrecy (1998). Morris 17:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The Chomsky Misquote

I have editted "The Chomsky Misquote" : "The Department of State desired that the United Nations prove utterly ineffective in whatever measures it undertook [with regard to East Timor]. This task was given to me, and I carried it forward with not inconsiderable success."

and replaced it with the full quotation. See here http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2004/09/an_intellectual.html for reference.

Boyhood?

I believe he grew up in Hell's Kitchen. Can someone confirm that? And if true, I think it should go in the article, since I believe he himself claimed that given his upbringing he should never have ended up where he did. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Moynihan, if remember correctly, was also generally considered to be the source of the phrase "defining deviance downward," referring to contemporary culture's tendency to become increasingly accepting of behavior that in the past would have considered sociopathic.

Flag Ammendment

How could he have voted against the flag burning ammendment if he was not only out of office (since 2001) but dead (2003) when the 2006 vote took place. Could someone please clarify this portion, the last paragraph under the Career in the Senate heading. Thank you. Kristamaranatha (talk) 02:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

• 2006 wasn't the only time this issue received a vote. The vote in question occured on March 29, 2000 on S.J.Res. 14. I've added that information to the article.DCmacnut<> 15:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Infanticide quote

"Too close to infanticide" as a quote got deleted for lack of a good reference. He probably said it, but the only people copying it nowdays on the web are pro-lifers and Republicans, not exactly good encyclopedic references since the quote is so controversial. I've run out of time. Anyone else want to take a crack at it? Student7 (talk) 14:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

dead link in footnote 14

The link for source for Moynihan's "sucker punch" in footnote 14 is dead. Stephengeis (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Possible mistake in largest check record

the article states that the "rupee deal" was the largest check ever written, according to Guinness world records 2010, it was not. <ref> http://books.google.com/books?id=rZ8nFo7Ep0AC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127&dq=the+greatest+amount+paid+by+a+single+check&source=bl&ots=P695o1kvsT&sig=M-G31iJ2Y8EgW-it8VMNIUMh86g&hl=en#v=onepage&q=the%20greatest%20amount%20paid%20by%20a%20single%20check&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.237.185.17 (talk) 20:18, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120513220045/http://www.cavr-timorleste.org/en/Brief.htm to http://www.cavr-timorleste.org/en/Brief.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060221231144/http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/moynihan/default.html to http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/moynihan/default.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:04, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Link to report

Moynihan's report, cited as footnote 6 in The Negro Family: The Case For National Action and footnote 12 in Daniel Patrick Moynihan has a link to the Internet archive site, as well as a link to what is referred to as the original, a link to a Department of Labor site. The link to the original is a page not found. I believe the original can be found at this site: US Department of Labor.

I crossposted this to the talk pages of both articles.

There are four issues worth discussing:

1. it is commonly noted that when a citation is a dead link, the citation should not be simply removed, as it provides information about the original source of the material and may be useful. Arguably, this is a different situation, as the original source was a Department of Labor site, and I have found the material on the Department of Labor site. I think I should replace the URL associated with "original" to the current working version. I'm composing this as a question rather than simply doing it in case there is some reason to do something different.
2. The material at the current Department of Labor site is largely the same as that in the Internet archive site. However, the Department of Labor site includes a page of footnote references here, which is not at the Internet archive site. While it should be easy to create an Internet archive site of that page, the Internet archive site has links from one page to another and I don't know how to set it up so that it would automatically pick up the footnote references page. Any thoughts?
3. The bottom of the first page of the current version as well as the Internet archive site contains the following text: "NOTE: The 1965 published version of this Report included numerous tables and graphs, which are not reproduced electronically here at this time. Readers who wish to use the graphics should be able to access a printed copy of the Report at the nearest Federal Depository Library. Contact the U.S. Government Publishing Office for locations." I haven't located that material at the Internet archive or at the Department of Labor site. It would be useful to have that information also linked. Does anyone have access to an online version?
4. I had hope this material might be at Wikisource. it does not appear to be. Does anyone have any thoughts on why it is not there and whether there are good reasons not to post it at Wikisource? I'm separately going to post there and suggest that the report as well as the supplementary tables and graphs be included in Wikisource.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

The ship he served on during World War II

I tried to create a link to the Wikipedia article on the ship that he served on, but it wouldn’t let me for some reason https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Quirinus_(ARL-39) HealthLibrarian (talk) 00:25, 27 October 2022 (UTC)