Talk:Shinty

Derived

Directly derived from this sport is a boy's game played in the Southern United States (where there is a very large number of people with some Scots ancestry, and some who are predominantly Scottish in origin) called "shinny". This is generally an informal backyard diversion, not an organized sport in the way that other sports such as football and baseball are.

Failte don Jungle

Shinty is perhaps the finest sport known to man, a true martial art and great craic as well. Welcome to the Shinty Jungle!

Is anything going to be mentioned about the brutalness of this sport? The description of it doesn't really convey that.

Certainly not, it is not an encyclopaedic cmment, most Shinty players do not view the Sport as brutal. there are several sports such as rugby, boxing and gridiron which are far more physical, dangerous and violent. Sologoal

merge with feild hockey?

This looks like this should be merged with Field hockey. Any reason why it hasn't been?

• shouldnt be - different goevering body, different rules etc - on that notre should some one add the rules of the game - biggest thing i reemember about the ganme is that half the shots that are allowed in Shinty would be classed as fouls in hockey! Alimat 21:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

**Merge with Field Hockey? - DON'T BE SILLY - Shinty and Field Hockey are two very distinct sports, with major rules and technique differences and as Alimat states different governing bodies. Saying Field Hockey and Shinty should be merged would be like saying American Football and Rugby should be merged. FYI: Rules of the game can be viewed on the http://www.shinty.com web site, plus the www.shinty.com site has a hyperlink to see shinty matches streamed on the web. Norcalshinty 14 June 2006

Dreich?

what's dreich mean? --Awiseman 06:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Dreich is Scots English for cold, wet and miserable weather. It is a common vocabulary word in Socltand.

Thanks, I clarified it in case other English speakers come by - like myself. --Awiseman 20:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

American Shinty Contacts

For contact information for Northern California, Santa Monica and Bakersfield (Calif), Utah and Phoenix please e-mail: info@norcalshinty.com, for contact information for Morro Bay, Houston, Dunedin (Florida), Washington State (including Portland, Orgeon) please see the links section in the main article.

Pleasanton Blairgowrie Fegus Sister City Organization: http://www.pbsco.org/ Campbell Highland Games Association: http://www.campbellgames.com/ The Blairgowrie and Rattray Highland Games: http://www.blairhighlandgames.co.uk/

moved this so as not to piss of people like the scummers who deleted the Glasgow and Edinburgh uni articles. Camanachd gu brath! Sologoal 17:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Progress On Pages

I've almost completed all the clubs in Scotland and the States but if there are any other shinty folk oot there, get involved, make sure that your teams history is correct or upload photos whatever. The Shinty pages are by no means perfect but I hope they are informative and enjoyable.Sologoal 16:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Nollaig Chridheil

Agus Bliadhna Mhath Ur! Merry Christmas to all Shinty Fans across the globe. Suas leis a' Chamanachd!Sologoal 13:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

shinty.com

These wikipedia pages seem to have much more information than the Camanachd Association's own website. It is quite poor site as governing bodies go. Perhaps they will get it updated one of these days. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.83.245.252 (talk) 16:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

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Cúchulainn

I have removed the sentence "Shinty appears prominently in the legend of Cúchulainn, the Celtic mythology hero." Because 1) Cúchulainn was from Ireland not Scotland; 2) The Irish texts of the Cúchulainn myth typically refer to Cúchulainn playing hurling and I can find no reference in either the Irish or English texts of the legend to 'shinty', and 3) There is no independent support that I can find for the proposition that Cúchulainn was playing shinty and not hurling or some common ancestor of both sports.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.230.82 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 12 August 2007

You shouldnt have done that. The distinction between "Hurling" and "Shinty" is pretty artificial, English language based and an entirely modern one. Historically there was one game - in the native Gaelic languages of Scotland and Ireland the same word is used to name the game iomáint/iomain - just as the Scots and Irish were historically one people; the Gaels. When i have time il reinsert the sentence and expand the history section generally. siarach (talk) 11:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you wrote that. Cuchulainn features in Scottish mythology too, appears in the writings of Sorley MacLean, and is linked with the Cuillins.

Irish dialects had different names for the sport, and the variety played in Antrim was more similar to the Scottish version than the standard Irish version.--MacRusgail (talk) 22:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Highland?

"but it was formerly more widespread, being once competitively played on a widespread basis in England and other areas where Scottish Highlanders migrated."

It was played in the Scottish Lowlands, and northern England and not just because of Highland migration. It is recorded from the Borders for example, where there wasn't much Highland migration at all. --MacRusgail (talk) 17:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Aye. Given that shinty/Iomain existed as a part of Gaelic civilisation (Cuchullain is described as playing it) many centuries before the Lowlands ceased to be Gaelic left the Highlands synonymous with Gaelic culture it shouldnt be too surprising that shinty was one of the lingering Gaelic aspects of Lowland culture after the whole Highland/Lowland divide formed. siarach (talk) 18:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Th linked article by Hugh Dan MacLennan can clear this up and the syntax is unclear. Shinty was widespread in England before the migrations from the Highlands but the migrants helped strengthen shinty for a time. [1] However, for the rest of the World, we can say it was taken by Scottish Highlanders. Sologoal (talk) 08:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

About this sport

Since Shinty is using a hockey stick and a ball to play as same as Hockey, so it should belongs to Hockey code. But I don't know why it belongs to other code?--Pierce (talk) 16:40, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I assume this is in relation to Template:Team Sport Shinty uses a caman not a hockey stick and as per the article Whilst comparisons are often made with field hockey, the two sports have several important differences. In shinty, a player is allowed to play the ball in the air and is allowed to use both sides of the stick. The stick may also be used to block and to tackle, although a player may not come down on an opponent's stick, a practice called hacking. A player may tackle using the body as long as this is shoulder-to-shoulder as in football. and it has more in common with Hurling than Hockey Gnevin (talk) 22:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Harry Potter Claim

I reviewed the referred to link as evidence of the claim, but the article is a write up about a park with a one line mention to this claim, and no further proof of this claim. Please provide more evidence. Imasleepviking ( talk ) 04:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Scoring

Strangely enough, in the "Rules of play" section nothing at all is said about scoring! I presume that the object of the game is to get the ball into the opponents' net, and that this is called a "goal". I presume, also, that it differs from hurling, where a "point" ("cúilín") can be scored by sending the ball over the goal-net. Am I correct? Does "goal" have a Gaelic translation? Can a goal be scored with the foot, or only with the caman? These would be useful pieces of information to add. Scolaire (talk) 19:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Never mind. I looked it up and added it myself. Scolaire (talk) 19:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Playing the ball with the head

The player may not play the ball with the head whether intentionally or not. Please clarify this, as it sounds like it would be ok to hit the ball at another player's head and not only would that player be injured, but would have a penalty against him. 185.4.26.22 (talk) 13:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Shinty in England

I wonder how widely Shinty is played in England? The article gives the impression that it is rare, but I recall playing it at my secondary school in Westcliff-on-sea, Essex back in the 1960s. So far as I know the school itself had no strong connections with Scotland, but maybe the game was introduced by an enthusiastic Scottish games master?81.151.93.199 (talk) 17:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

from personal knowledge I know it was being played by Army personnel at the Royal Military College of Science (Shrivenham) in the mid-1970s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.49.233 (talk) 14:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Duration

Nothing on duration? Halves etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.79.122.30 (talk) 13:52, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Why spammy?

This link keeps being deleted as spam. Per my edit summaries, it doesn't look spammy to me and looks quite informative. If I am wrong, please explain why rather than just removing it again. Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)