Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doug McIntyre

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The result of the debate was keep. —Korath (Talk) 15:55, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)

Doug McIntyre

Los Angeles local radio presenter--nixie 10:24, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. No evidence that is in any way notable, not even mentioned on our article about his radio station. -- Infrogmation 18:14, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. This one is legit. Though his morning show is relatively recent, he's a high-profile radio host in Los Angeles. If you go to the KABC radio website, you are first greeted with a splash page advertising "MacIntyre in the morning." His program is the principal venue in which candidates for mayor of LA have debated. He also has a history as a television writer. -- BTfromLA 18:30, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I have expanded the entry. BTfromLA 18:54, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • BTfromLA, I still do not understand how this local radio host is notable enough to be in Wikipedia. Please explain. Zzyzx11 19:04, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • If we let him have his own article, then shouldn't we have other local radio hosts from across the world with similar credentials? Zzyzx11 19:09, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Is the standard national syndication? International broadcasting? A book written about you? It seems to me that a prominant and influential media figure in a social center like Los Angeles (or New York, Chicago, London...) is far more notable than a large percentage of the people and concepts I see entries for in Wikipedia. And, nowadays, much local radio (including KABC) is accessible over the web, so it need not remain opaque to people outside the region. While it's a local job, the number of local hosts with similar credentials is small--"morning drive time" at the ABC flagship station in Los Angeles is pretty much the top of the pyramid as far as local radio goes. And, yes, if he is allowed, similarly credetialed folks should be as well, of course. I see that his principal competitor, Bill Handel, is the subject of a stubby and poorly written article that should probably sink or swim with this one.
    • BTfromLA and everyone else, I guess my main question is what the criteria should be on local broadcasters. Clearly, someone in the New York designated market area is more notable than one in Glendive. But where do you draw the line on the 210 DMA's? Do you even draw a line? Zzyzx11 23:02, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • I'd say the criterion would be independent third-party verifiability - David Gerard 02:02, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Keep. That's what I am thinking too. DMA should be at the bottom of out list of criteria. I apologize to everyone for letting my question make this VfD discussion stretch longer than it should have. Zzyzx11 21:38, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable. Megan1967 23:18, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Borderline keep - make strong keep if some verifiability is indicated - David Gerard 02:02, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This must come up a lot-is there some written guideline about what the minimum requirements for "notability" are in wikipedia? I'm not sure what "verification" means in this context... the fact that the guy is on the air daily on a major station during peak hours is easy to verify (look at http://kabc.com/). But there's a larger question of what qualifies for a Wikipedia article. If the standards are the same as a print enyclopedia, then I would agree with deleting this--McIntyre is not a historic figure. But those don't seem to be the standards in practice. For example, the Marvel comic book title The Avengers has a listing. Is that particular title "notable"? Further, there are more that 50 separate articles for "members" of the Avengers. Are all of them notable? By those standards, large-market radio talk hosts seem prominent indeed. (And a quick search reveals many articles for smaller-market radio brodcasters, e.g. Todd Friel, Mary Lucia, Ed Sciaky, Mark Wheat...) So I'm confused about what the relevant principals are for making this judgment. BTfromLA 02:53, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Radio personality on the air in one of the country's largest markets. Surely millions of listeners in the country's second-largest city have heard of him. Mike H 04:05, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Yes he's quite notable around where I live, can be heard by well over twenty million people, and judging by the way they drive, probably is. Antandrus 04:15, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC).
• Keep. This should be easy. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 08:28, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep people with their own shows at peak times on major stations. Kappa 10:16, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. He's as notable as any other local radio personality, and if they deserve their own articles, why shouldn't he? Deleting him would just be the thin end of the wedge and soon we'd end up getting rid of all of them... Miss Pippa 10:22, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable South California radio personality. Capitalistroadster 11:26, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep. LA is the number two US radio market behind New York. Huge audience. Morning drive is the major part of the day on any station. I've done it as a fill-in here in my neck of the woods and briefly had my own morning show before a radio consultant thought it was best to remove all on-air talent and go fully automated...but that's a story for another day. Station tanked in the ratings soon after. Ah, karma. - Lucky 6.9 22:42, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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