Talk:Mazovia

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It would be worth to mention that Masovia was conquered by Poland in X century (or earlier, historians can't agree to that fact).

Masovia was conquered by Poles (or rather by Polans) in X century or earlier. Then, yes, it was independent duchy, just like Silesia, Greater Poland, Lesser Poland etc. It was however ruled by Polish dukes, who rivalised for ruling of whole country, one of them then was candidate for Polish king, they wer also vassals of Poland etc.

Masovia was the most catholic region of Poland. It's silly to think that protestants from Masovia find refugee in Prussia, especially because of tolerance in Poland - they could do in latae XVII century when tolerance was on decline, but in that period already thousands of colonists from Masovia were in Prussia. They were there for economical reasons, not religious.

POland annexed Masovia (because of feudal laws) when local dukes died out, and because Masovia was always part of Poland.

After all, Polish today is created from three elements: from Masovian, Greater Polish and Little Polish. [[szopen]]

May I add any of the following?

At the death (1138) of Boleslaus III, Masovia became an independent duchy under the Piast dynasty. It became a suzerainty of Great Poland in 1351 and was finally united with it in 1526. Masovia passed to Prussia during the 18th-century partitions of Poland and was later a part of the Russian Empire. It reverted to Poland in 1918. [1]

--Ed Poor

If you can do it without infringing copyright, I'd say incorporate it into what's already there!JHK

Merge request[edit]

The one sentence stub at Duchy of Masovia should be merged with Masovia. — AjaxSmack 04:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The stub does not tell anything which isn't already mentioned in Masovia. 84.141.141.245 02:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It's a notable topic in its own right (note that there are two interwikis). The article simply needs expanding. Appleseed (Talk) 02:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Per Appleseed. We just need to expand both articles.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 00:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot find Mazovia on the map included with the article. None of the words shown on the map look like Mazovia or its name in Polish given in the article. Maybe I just overlooked it somehow. Help, please.JGC1010 (talk) 02:40, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Declaration of good will and non-insinuation.[edit]

I wish if contributors of the page will not insinuate things. Mazovia was at some point conquered by Poland, then a Mazovian country emerged, disbanded by Polish forces, then Poland was no longer united and so Mazovia was a separate country. Incorporated to Poland, Mazovia was a country of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, in late 18th century became a part of Poland. That doesn't mean that Mazovia is Polish. That means something complex is going on here. Please, use words carefully. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rejedef (talk • contribs) 05:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Something "complex" is most certainly going on here.Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:31, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Will you stop putting unsourced nonsense into the article?

This para:

The Mazovian separatism has its roots in early 11th century when a Mazovian leader Mazovian leader created a short-lived state, then in 12th-16th century Mazovia existed as a Duchy and then was annexed by Poland, still keeping some statutes under the Polish rule. Scholars confirm that Mazovia was not a part of Poland even during the time of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. [20] Modern Mazovian separationist that the Mazovian language is different and the culture as well[21] [22]. The economic factor cannot be overlooked. Mazovia is one of the most advanced regions of the Central and Eastern Europe[23][24][25]. The Poles[26] claim, however, that Mazovia is Poland and there is no distinction between the Polish and the Mazovian culture, there is no Mazovian language, yet dialect and Mazovia has no right to exist. Polish scholars acknowledge the distinction between Polish and Mazovian, however they consider Mazovian as a poor knowledge of Polish or very improper Polish, ignorint existance of Mazovian[27].

First sentence, unsourced. There never was a Mazovian leader "Mazovian" - this is crazy stuff. Second sentence, yes, Mazovia was not technically part of Poland at certain points in history, what does this have to do with this so called "Mazovian separatism"? Third sentence about these "Mazovian separationist" - which is like trying to talk about "Middlesex separationist" in context of England - is sourced to some weird page which contains outdated mirrors of Wikipedia completely irrelevant to the topic, while the second "source" is some weird empty page with some user comments [2]. The fourth sentence about how "Mazovia is one of the most advanced regions of the Central and Eastern Europe" has three citations none of which support the claim directly and who cares anyway. "The Poles" cited in the following paragraph are cited to some essay which doesn't even have the word "Mazowsze" or anything similar in it and then it follows it up with a bunch of made up crap. The citation to the last sentence is again to the same web page of past Wikipedia mirrors which again do not support the claims.

Either the user is woefully unfamiliar with Wikipedia policies or someone's having some fun annoying people.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Repetitive addition of unreferenced/untrue/hoax content is grounds for a block. You may want to report this issue to WP:AN. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Language or dialect[edit]

In the following resources, the Mazovian language is referred as a language:

http://www.archive.org/stream/historyauniwers00moragoog/historyauniwers00moragoog_djvu.txt: Te uprzedzenia odbiły się echem w uniwersytecie. Wyszydzano tu Mazowszan, przezywano ich scrofae mazoyianae*), śmiano się z ich języka, obfitującego w niezwykłe wyrażenia
http://www.polona.pl/Content/863/ocr.txt osadzone pirzez Mazurów z Mazowsza, sprowadzonych przed kilku wiekami, dotąd utrzymują język mazowiecki i obrządek łaciński i oświeceńsi są od innych gmin Ukrainy.
http://www.archive.org/stream/kopernikijana00polkgoog/kopernikijana00polkgoog_djvu.txt

Świadomi tych stron nie zaprzeczą, iż język Mazowiecki ciągnie się za Bugiem nad granicą mowy Ruskiej, poczynając o milę przed Drohiczynem, przez Dziatkowice, Strablę, Markowszczyznę, Choroszcz, Knyszyn, Starowolę; a w Królestwie przez Lipsk do rzeki Ghańczy.

As a speech:http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hBIEAAAAYAAJ&dq=jezyk%20mazowiecki&pg=PA504#v=onepage&q&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rejedef (talk • contribs) 15:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cuisine Section Expansion[edit]

Been looking for sources to site to use as a basis for expanding the section, here is what I have found:

http://www.warsawvoice.pl/WVpage/pages/articlePrint.php/28273/article

https://issuu.com/cityway/docs/1382521495671

http://www.tastingpoland.com/food/regional_polish_food.html

Just wanted to check with others to make sure the sources are good to use. FusionLord (talk) 02:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Although WP:CONSISTENT is always relevant when considering article titles, if proposing a similar request in the future, please consider including evidence in the request to show which version is more common in reliable sources. Dekimasuよ! 09:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mazovia → Masovia – WP:CONSISTENT with Masovian Voivodeship, Duchy of Masovia, Masovian Voivodeship Sejmik, Masovian Railways, Masovian dialect. Lucjim (talk) 01:48, 30 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 12:25, 6 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now which one is more common? It is possible that all of those use a less common spelling. This RM should show which is the WP:COMMONNAME between "Masovia" and "Mazovia". Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 22:14, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Poland has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Mazovia is more common than Masovia per ngrams [3]. The other articles should be moved to be consistent with this one. estar8806 (talk) ★ 14:34, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

History of Mazovia[edit]

I suggest starting this article by copying the content we have here, which then could be shortened here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per reasonable nom Marcelus (talk) 08:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The section is not so long. There are several articles on historical regions with similarly long or even longer history sections. Marcin 303 (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]