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Can somebody provide a reference for the box office gross of $73.3 million? Currently we only have a Variety article from 1996 which is not easy to verify. Box Office Mojo and The Numbers, which are suggested to be used according to Template:Infobox film, both say ~$28 million. –CWenger (^ • @) 22:45, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the url for the page with the chart https://varietyultimate.com/archive/issue/WV-02-19-1996-26 but without a subscription I expect it is not easy to see. Shawshank is listed with a gross of $56.8m with a domestic gross of $11.8m for 1995 and an international gross of $45m. The $11.8m is in line with Box Office Mojo which indicates that the film grossed $16m to Thanksgiving 1994. Websites like Box Office Mojo and The Numbers don't have much pre-2000 international grosses so are unreliable for years prior to that. Citations don't need to be accessible online. If you go to a large library, they may be able to provide access to the Variety archives from that era if you want to check for yourself. Sudiani (talk) 12:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. I agree citations don't need to be accessible online. It seems like WP:SYNTH though to be using the international gross from 1995 only from one source and combining it with the domestic gross from multiple years from another source. I wonder if we'd be better off just giving the domestic gross. –CWenger (^ • @) 16:33, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Betty Logan might have useful insight but I don't see the issue, the sources we normally use don't have international figures and don't seem to have any interest in adding those figures, and the international figure is sourced to Variety which is, you know, Variety, it's not just one source it's a long-lived and respected industry magazine. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 17:14, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is any issue with Variety here. Unfortunately, as you point out, when it comes to be pre-2000 films the regular trackers (BOM, The Numbers) have lots of gaps. They're not so hot on pre-1980 US figures either. In the case of older films it's often a case of beggars can't be choosers. @Sudiani: I am slightly concerned by the disparity between the Variety's domestic figure and Box Office Mojo's. Are you sure that Variety's domestic figure isn't a distributor rental ? An $11.8 million rental would be consistent with a gross of $24 million, which may explain the discrepency? I don't think there is a SYNTH problem with adding a domestic and international figure, provided we are sure that the figures relate to those metrics. Its simple addition, and basic arithmetical calculations are permitted by WP:CALC. Betty Logan (talk) 18:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per BOM, Shawshank grossed $28m in total in its initial release. Again, per BOM, they show it grossing $16m in the US and Canada in 1994 and therefore, $12m in 1995. The $12m is in line with that reported by Variety in their international chart for 1995 which is based on the calendar year grosses (not rentals). Per IMDb, Shawshank opened in a few smaller international markets in 1994 including Mexico and India so has grossed more than $45 million internationally but their 1994 international top 100 starts at $21 million, so it likely grossed less than $5 million from those markets in 1994. There is a Variety report from 1997 accessible online which showed it grossed $31.7m internationally for Castle Rock (https://variety.com/1997/scene/vpage/mouse-all-mighty-1117433867/) but it is unclear from this reporting what period this relates to and also it had multiple international distributors so is not a complete gross either (Variety's 1995 chart lists Sony and Castle Rock as distributors; IMDb lists the UK distributor as Rank, Columbia for Sweden, Village Roadshow for Australia, UGC for France etc.) While it has likely grossed a little more than $73 million internationally, I think it best to stick with the figures that are verifiable and the international figure presented is more representative of its performance than a US only figure. Sudiani (talk) 19:12, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This article has no information about home video releases except for a mention of the original rental VHS. Other articles about equally prominent movies have dedicated sections describing DVD and Blu-ray releases, including information about any differences, special content, etc. This article should too. —38.49.72.17 (talk) 15:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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