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Awards pages[edit]

This article links to several different pages addressing PWI awards. Is there any reason the awards pages can't be streamlined into a single page? It's really not that much information, and each page linked to in the awards section ends up being quite small. Call it an annoyance if you will, but I was just looking through Wrestling Observer's awards list, and I personally find that format much prefered over the format used to list former PWI award winners. Smokachu 2:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Aren't the PWI awards just given out by staff writers? I've read several times that the results are chosen by the staff and the fans votes aren't actually counted. Has anyone else heard this? middleeasternfilms 23:04, 21 July 2007

Top 500 in 2006[edit]

The top 500 of 2006 has not been published, so Cena can't be the winner... (or Joe like I read weeks ago). I deleted it. (11/09/2006)

One more time I deleted the results of top 500 in 2006 ! Stop put Cena or anyone else because nobody has the results !(12 september 2006).

I change it one more time... It's vandalism, and I will tell it to the people concerned.(12 september 2006).

And one more, this time it's a warning. (14 september 2006).

Sting's first WCW World Heavyweight reign[edit]

Why doesn't PWI recognize this one? 41.245.165.219 (talk) 10:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is recognized. It's on the list.

Dear, anonymous poster...it's NOT on the list! PWI begins the WCW World Title's existence as of January 11 1991. But Stine had a WCW World Title reign BEFORE that. I understand why they don't recognize the ECW World Title before mid-1999, but why not the original WCW World Title before January 11 1991. Strange indeed! 41.245.129.121 (talk) 12:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The wcw championship lineage begun on january 11, 1991. before that wcw used the nwa championship as their world title so that reign you're talking about it's sting's first nwa championship reign. Secretaria (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The NWA ceased functioning as an organization as of late 1990. Sting was even called "WCW Champion" around Starrcade 1990(am searching for thing to upload...). By the time Flair pinned him on January 11 1991, the NWA championship was history, and Sting was WCW World Champion. 41.245.129.121 (talk) 09:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the NWA still exists today. WCW might have called Sting a WCW champion and the nwa name might have been phased out at the time but ultimately there was still a nwa board of directors recognizing sting as their champion. The two companies only officialy split after ric flair left wcw for the wwf when the nwa didn't want to recognize lex luger as their champion and recognized Masa Chono instead. Some years later, they recognized Tatsumi Fujinami's ghost reign from march to may 1991. Since it was with flair's reign which begun on january 11, 1991 that the two lineages split that's when the wcw championship history officialy begun. Also that's they way its recognized by the WWE, who now own WCW and have the final say on who was and wasn't wcw champion (like rectroactively recognizing benoit as a former wcw champion when wcw never did). Also, it has been said above in this page that flair was called the nwa/wcw champion by PWI. Secretaria (talk) 20:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the NWA ceased functioning from cDecember 1990 until mid-1992. Sting was only the WCW World Champion as of January 10 1991. I accept that this is PWI 's version of history, but it should be noted that their take is not entirely accurate. Also, Luger was WCW Champion from July 1991 to February 1992, and Chono only won the revived NWA Title in August 1992 when Luger was under contract to the WWF. The NWA(and PWI) have rewritten history to make themselves look better, WCW look worse, and WWE have promoted it as fact. So, yes since this is the PWI page it should reflect PWI's (inaccurate) version, but a footnote should be added explaining what really happened and didn't happen. 41.245.166.168 (talk) 12:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I guess you seem to know more about it than me, but this might be a disscussion for the wcw and nwa world championship pages before it's adressed in this one since this page is following the lineages on the pages of those championships. Secretaria (talk) 17:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I was just checking out the history pages and the thing is if the nwa closed c. december 1990, sting still won the championship on july as a nwa champion so i guess it's counted as an nwa championship reign. Also, there's that whole flair/fujinami debacle in 91, so I'm not sure the nwa really closed between 90 an 92. Secretaria (talk) 17:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it's sorta like the Team 3D Tag Title reign in TNA. They won the NWA titles in TNA, then the TNA-NWA business arrangement ended(albeit under very different circumstances). TNA continued to recognize them as "Tag Team Champions", and even today credit them with a single Tag Title reign in TNA. But it's 2 different titles. They never lost the first or really ever won the second, the one just took over from the other as a continuous reign. 41.245.166.168 (talk) 09:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For a very long time PWI and its sister publications continued to refer to WCW as "The NWA" even when it was clear that WCW itself had ceased to do so. Eventually in spring 1991 they announced that they would refer to the title overall as the NWA/WCW World Heavyweight Title, using the more specific terms "NWA World title" for its past history and "WCW World Title" for the then-current and then-future situation. During the Flair/Fujinami controversy, PWI continued to recognise Flair as champion, but acknowledged that some promoters in Japan were recognising Fujinami at the time. When Flair was stripped of the WCW title on July 1 1991 and Lex Luger subsequently beat Barry Windham in a cage match for the vacant title, PWI (and WCW) recognised Luger as the incumbent holder of the same title that Lou Thesz, Harley Race and Flair had all held and just completely ignored the fact that there was still an NWA board that recognised Flair as champion until August 1991 when it was clear that he would be using the title as a WWF gimmick. PWI were able to carry on with their stance though early 1992 with Sting's second reign and Vader's first. When Masa Chono beat Rick Rude in Japan to fill the year long NWA World title vacancy, PWI refused to recognise Chono as a world champion, recognising him - and Muta, Windham and Flair afterwards - only as "NWA Champion." One of the Aptermags also printed an article denouncing the tournament and Chono's title as an irrelevance which would only cause confusion! After the final split between WCW and the NWA, PWI grudgingly recognised Rude, Sasake and Sting as being holders of the WCW International Championship. For the rest of the 1990s, PWI continued to regard the title rejected by Shane Douglas and later held by Chris Candido and Dan Severn as "the NWA Championship". 2.24.71.25 (talk) 19:39, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cover Photo[edit]

The 2014 Cover Picture with Daniel Bryan is reliable and should be kept. Removing it vandals add unlicensed pictures that violate copy right guidelines. User talk:Mishi dar has been engaging in such activity in not just this but many articles without even discussing on talk page and has been warned multiple times by various users and bots for it. Furthermore cover photos of PWI magazines changes every year, it is neither possible nor necessary to keep changing it every now and then. PWI has had many cover photos since then, but this has been very reliable. The Daniel Bryan picture establishes the main theme of the article and I believe that is a sufficient reason for continuing using it for a longer time. For changes there should be a discussion. No one should change crucial pictures without even bothering to discuss on talk page of the article let alone the project page Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling. Dilbaggg (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No circulation numbers?[edit]

This should be a base standard on any magazine's article. Publishers are required by law to include a statement of ownership somewhere within the magazine once a year. It is a summary of the average copies sold monthly (through both retailer and subscriptions) for the prior year of issues. For most magazines it is usually found somewhere among the last several pages of an issue, although it can be printed anywhere. The time of year that it is printed will usually remain consistent once established (i.e. If the statement appears in the July issue of a particular magazine then it will usually be found in every July issue of that magazine.2601:602:880:4C10:3D35:37C1:20A3:B4CC (talk) 04:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]