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Q1: Why is the band's genre extreme metal? Why is it not X?
A1: The policy of this page is to adhere to Wikipedia's NPOV rules regarding Cradle of Filth's genre: "The policy requires that, where there are or have been conflicting views, these should be presented fairly, but not asserted. All significant points of view are presented, not just the most popular one. It should not be asserted that the most popular view or some sort of intermediate view among the different views is the correct one. Readers are left to form their own opinions." With this in mind, we report the fact that nobody can agree on a genre, and we use the terms "extreme metal", "heavy metal" and "metal" in their non-specific, "umbrella" sense to describe what sort of band they are. All discussions on this subject, going back years at this point, are archived here. Before adding anything further here, or changing the genre on the main page, please read the archive and the whole of the main page including the genre section (ie. not just the infobox and the first line of the first paragraph). If you genuinely believe you have something new to add, post it, and preface your contribution with the words "jam donut" to prove that you've read (and understood) this far. If you do not preface your message with "jam donut", it will be deleted. Cardinal Wurzel 16:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Jon Kennedy[edit]
For many years, just like with Darren White, there is an unclear status on Jon Kennedy, being a bass player in 1994-1995 and in 1991-1992. Was he an original bass player for Cof or not? Original bass player's name was also Jon, but i can't recall his last name and i'm pretty sure these were two different persons. Another reason is the latest statement from Was Sarginson, he told that "Dani was doing high screams on the first demos way before even meeting Jon Kennedy". The only demos where Robin didn't play bass were the first two. 31.207.230.72 (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- what's more, Dani Filth reffered to Kennedy as "their third bassist" in his farewell instagram post to Jon. 31.207.230.72 (talk) 19:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Just having a look at Dani's Insta post you mention, and he actually didn't write the bit you quote - he's re-posting from a French Cradle of Filth account run by someone else. Interestingly Dani's post and the original don't quite match. The original says "Jon was @cradleoffilth 's first bassist, participating in several of their demos and was also called back to replace Robin "Graves" Eaglestone during The Principle of Evil Made Flesh Tour." Dani's says third and omits the line about demos. So it appears that Dani is correcting the original there and that - you're right - Jon Kennedy is the third bassist and therefore not the Jon that played on Orgiastic Pleasures Foul. But it's a slightly clumsy edit since Dani's version still says JK was "called back" - back from where? (I guess it should be "called in"?) You don't say where the quote from Was Sarginson comes from. I had a quick scrub through the Scars & Guitars podcast from 2022 but I couldn't immediately find it there (although I could easily have missed it). Cardinal Wurzel (talk) 13:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Yup, looks like someone editing List of Cradle of Filth members at some point weirdly decided Jon Pritchard and Jon Kennedy were the same person. I've now separated them. Cheers for spotting that. I don't usually get involved with band member stuff. Too much like hard work. Cardinal Wurzel (talk) 14:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- what's more, SJD herself hinted that Jon was never an official member of the group. He filled in for tour and yes, performed on the first version of Dusk..., but wasn't legally considered a member. So i feel really confused about that. Maybe he was supposed to become one, but left the band too shortly. Maybe it's now appropriate to list him in a members section since his contributions, but technically he wasn't a member durning his tenure in a band. 31.207.230.72 (talk) 14:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Was Sarginson wrote that in a comment section of Scars & Guitars podcast with Sara Jezebel Deva. His profile is PappaWas1975. I also remember metalarchives CoF's page had two different profiles for the bassist in 1991-1992 and 1994-1995. Not sure about now, but funny enough, Darren White was listed as their drummer for years there. 31.207.230.72 (talk) 14:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Yup, looks like someone editing List of Cradle of Filth members at some point weirdly decided Jon Pritchard and Jon Kennedy were the same person. I've now separated them. Cheers for spotting that. I don't usually get involved with band member stuff. Too much like hard work. Cardinal Wurzel (talk) 14:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Just having a look at Dani's Insta post you mention, and he actually didn't write the bit you quote - he's re-posting from a French Cradle of Filth account run by someone else. Interestingly Dani's post and the original don't quite match. The original says "Jon was @cradleoffilth 's first bassist, participating in several of their demos and was also called back to replace Robin "Graves" Eaglestone during The Principle of Evil Made Flesh Tour." Dani's says third and omits the line about demos. So it appears that Dani is correcting the original there and that - you're right - Jon Kennedy is the third bassist and therefore not the Jon that played on Orgiastic Pleasures Foul. But it's a slightly clumsy edit since Dani's version still says JK was "called back" - back from where? (I guess it should be "called in"?) You don't say where the quote from Was Sarginson comes from. I had a quick scrub through the Scars & Guitars podcast from 2022 but I couldn't immediately find it there (although I could easily have missed it). Cardinal Wurzel (talk) 13:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)