Talk:Liberal Party of Australia

Some factions in the info-box?

I'm not sure if this is perhaps a reasonable request. But as the party is so large and has several factions akin to the 2 parties in US. Wouldn't it be reasonable to add factions within the info-box similar to what the Republican and Democratic party? I'm not saying all the factions have to be present, but at least the main ones within this party (and perhaps Labor too). As the factions vary quite differently, with National Right for example not having a consensus with same-sex marriage, while other factions are a lot more progressive on social and environmental policies compared to National Right. ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 16:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Leave that for the Ideologies and Faction section of the article body, not the Infobox – the Infobox is meant to be a summarisation.— Autospark (talk) 18:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Could a footnote be added similar to how the Liberal Democratic Party in Japan has it? I think the factions of the party should be added/mentioned in the info-box in some sort of way. Not just left for the article body (which not everyone reads/takes a look at). I'm not suggesting that all the faction ideologies/details should be added into the info-box btw. Just a mention/summary of the factions is good enough (similar to how the LDP Japan has it). ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 20:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to see a more specific proposal here. Unlike parties themselves, which are legally defined through their registration with the electoral commission, factions are a far more nebulous thing. The article says the party "currently consists of three broad factional groupings". The source for that (from 2021) describes a much more messy and/or complex situation. The factions are not well described in the article. It was says that Scott Morrison leads one of those factions. Since he lost the federal election last year as prime minister, Morrison has been largely missing from parliament. I doubt if he is leading anything there these days. So precisely what would you propose to add? HiLo48 (talk) 22:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

My proposal is I think there should be a mention of the factions within the info-box. I proposed a footnote like how its done for the Liberal Democratic Party (Japan). As a factions list like the Democratic or Republican party has it is not understandably preferred. ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 14:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

You seem to have just repeated what you proposed above, without addressing any of my concerns. That's not a good approach to discussion. HiLo48 (talk) 22:44, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

No to footnotes, and very strong oppose to factions bloating up the Infobox. I don’t care what other political parties list. Leave the extrapolations to the srticle main text. Infoboxes are summaries and aren’t meant to be essays.— Autospark (talk) 15:16, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I understand. Though the regional parties of Liberal National Party of Queensland and Victorian Liberal Party have factions in the info-box. Though I think a footnote would be much better and more subtle. A small summary footnote would be more than sufficient. Like the one on the European Conservatives and Reformists Party. A 1 sentence "A" footnote noting the factions of the party. ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 18:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Factional ideologies in infoboxes should be an exception, not a rule. I oppose having factional ideologies and footnotes in this article's infobox, as well as in the infoboxes of Liberal National Party of Queensland and Victorian Liberal Party. --Checco (talk) 20:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Political Position

I don't understand why Liberal Party of Australia is listed Centre-Right rather than " Centre-Right to Right-Wing " just like Conservative Party of Canada and Conservative Party (UK) given the large influence from National Right? Mhaot (talk) 04:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey, this is a discussion that needs to be had, while I oppose your edit for bypassing the previous discussion above on this page where people were opposing the addition of right-wing to their political position, I will not be reverting it because you have sourced your changes (I personally at this time support the addition of right-wing to their political position based on leadership factors, however my opinion is utterly irrelevant, only the opinion of qualified journalists and political scientists matter for this subject, hence why we source them). I also note that the Conservative Party of Canada and the Conservative & Unionist Party are not relevant to this discussion, we must discuss and source only local political views for the Liberal party and should not be bound to modifying the Liberal's political positions to reflect that of other Commonwealth countries, after all we are our own independent nation with our own political system. Comfisofa (talk) 16:20, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Not right-wing

Stop putting "Centre-right to right-wing" in the infobox. This is the Liberal Party, not the Republican Party. It is centre-right. These edits are clearly just Labor/Greens bias. I have decided not to remove it myself because whenever I fix a typo it gets reverted because of the other edit. Someone else remove it.

This isn't an extremely conservative party. Right-wing makes no sense. May as well put "Centre-left to left-wing" in the Labor Party's infobox given they are centre-left but if we're calling one party extreme we have to call the other one extreme. 37.0.81.236 (talk) 21:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, we have consensus a million times that says don't put factions in the infobox. 37.0.81.236 (talk) 21:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@37.0.81.236 Reliable sources call it right wing. If you have reliable sources that Labor is far left, go to the Labor article and do that. commemorative (talk) 03:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Please refer to the billion other times this has been raised in the talk page archives J2m5 (talk) 03:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

The term "right-wing" doesn't denote an extreme position. An extreme right position would be "far-right". Reliable sources refer to the Liberal party as "right-wing" and therefore so can we. If you think that is problematic start an RfC about it, but this has been discussed a lot. TarnishedPath^talk 07:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

1) "Right Wing" is not the same as the "Far Right" as mentioned by TarnishedPath

2) The reason why ALP isn't listed as "centre-left" to "left-wing" is because party is not socially "Broad-church" and only a bit economically broad chuch so they don't allow left wing populist in the party.

3) The right-wing populist faction National Right has made significant influence in their policy making

4) Conservative Party of Canada and UK is listed as "centre-right" to "right-wing" too and they both too have their right-wing populist factions having significant influence. 49.185.197.233 (talk) 04:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Plenty of commentators have suggested that the Liberal Party now is more right wing than it has ever been. HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)