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Section title[edit]

There are two real options for the name of this section:

  1. Rail / Trains
  2. Intercity rail / Regional rail

I've taken the liberty of going through the other 20 préfectures in continental France to see what their sections are called:

  • Strasbourg - no sub-sections.
  • Bordeaux - split into 'Road', 'Rail', 'Air', 'Trams, buses and boats'.
  • Clermont-Ferrand - no section.
  • Dijon - no section.
  • Rennes - no sub-sections.
  • Orléans - no section.
  • Châlons-en-Champagne - no section.
  • Ajaccio - no sub-sections.
  • Besançon - no sub-sections.
  • Paris - split into 'Streets and thoroughfares', 'Public transportation', 'National and international rail connections', 'National and international air connections'.
  • Montpellier - no sub-sections.
  • Limoges - no section.
  • Metz - split into 'Motorway', 'High speed train (TGV)', 'Regional trains', 'Local transportation'.
  • Toulouse - no sub-sections.
  • Lille - split into 'Highways', 'Air traffic', 'Waterways', 'Shipping statistics'.
  • Caen - no sub-sections.
  • Rouen - no sub-sections.
  • Amiens - no section.
  • Poitiers - no sub-sections.
  • Transport - no sub-sections.
  • Lyon - split into 'Air', 'Rail', 'Road', 'Intercity coach', 'Public transport'.

As you can see, there is no precedent or pattern here. There are two which conform to the way I would wish to leave the section (Paris and Metz), and there are two which conform to the way in which you wish to leave it (Bordeaux and Lyon). I've explained why I think my way is best (i.e. because this section deals specifically with trains going between Nantes and other regions/cities, while the 'Public transport' section deals with commuter/suburban rail), but anyway I'll leave you reply before changing it again. Schcambo 17:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add my 2 cents : "Intercity Rail" seems widely used in articles about cities (except french ones) London, Boston, Los Angeles, so I favor this title. Train is a bad title as it applies to coach, TGV, trams... Mthibault 01:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I realised that "Intercity rail" works better and is more appropriate with the context. I took "Train" from the French article, and it doesn't mean the same thing in English at all, my mistake. Train is simply not precise enough, and today there are numerous kind of trains (subway, tramway, suburban trains...). I'll revert the title and do agree with you on that point. Firstwind —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firstwind (talk • contribs) 16:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

Article Lead[edit]

Is there really a need to know, right in the introduction, that Nantes has a school of management? No? Good, I thought so, which is why I've zapped that bit. I'm also of a mind to get rid of the Times citation (so what if seven years ago some magazine published another one of their unscientific "rankings"), and the bit about some "innovation agency" (what is that anyway) referring to Nantes in some way or another. I just don't want to overdo the trimming, but I find the lead should rely more on "hard" facts, so to speak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.153.248.80 (talk) 13:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

motto[edit]

Favet Neptunus eunti. means "Neptune favors the traveler." I realizes it's a find point that few people would care about, but "May Neptune favor the travelers." would be Faveat Neptunus euntibus. --Ioscius ∞ 09:58, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After a quick root around, the poster is correct so I will change the caption accordingly. CaptainScreebo Parley! 18:59, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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"Republican Marriage"[edit]

I'm removed the reference to the Republican Marriage which is very probably an historical myth created after the fact. This had been introduced by an anonymous edit on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nantes&diff=prev&oldid=209806479 . The French page about the drownings: fr:Noyades de Nantes has no mentions of "republican marriage", not without reasons, they probably never existed... (the massacres were real, however - I'm keeping the reference to them) --Farialima (talk) 21:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Machines of the Isle of Nantes[edit]

Since the Isle of Nantes is in Nantes, the following should be included somewhere in this article. However, I was unable to determine which category would be appropriate, and didn't want to create a 'See also' section with only one item.

Perhaps it could be included as part of the narrative in the 'History' section, where the Isle of Nantes is mentioned (?). A related item could (should?) be mentioned someplace in the article - or at least a 'See also' item. See: The Sultan's Elephant -and- Les Machines de l'île Nantes
~Thanks, ~E Modified:74.60.29.141 (talk) 17:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Largest Cities in France (Introduction)[edit]

Marseilles is the second-largest city in France but is omitted from your list. Dick Kimball (talk) 16:10, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed complete change to citation/reference format[edit]

  • As per the current FAC, I am completely revising the citation/reference format in a personal sandbox. I'm making good progress, but won't be able to finish today. Please do comment here if you object to a complete change. If anyone objects, I will stop (or if I have already done it here in mainspace, I will be willing to revert my changes then). I can probably change it tomorrow if that's OK.
  • By the way, if anyone is certain that the page numbers of Pétré-Grenouilleau, Olivier (2008) match those of Pétré-Grenouilleau, Olivier (2002), we could fix one error that's repeated several times.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 16:11, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your attention and your help, it is really appreciated. For Pétré-Grenouilleau, I think that all references should be 2008 actually. I don't know why I put 2002, must have been confused with another book. Oie blanche (talk) 16:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Chronology[edit]

Quick question: In the section on the Middle Ages, it included this statement:

After the death of Charlemagne, the Breton armies invaded the March. Nominoe, first Duke of Brittany, seized Nantes in 850. The first decades of Breton rule in Nantes were difficult as Breton lords kept fighting between each other, preventing them to be able to stop Viking incursions. The most spectacular in Nantes occurred in 843, when the Viking warriors killed the bishop.[32] Nantes was finally integrated to the Viking realm in 919, but the Norse were expelled from the town in 937 by Alan II, Duke of Brittany.[33]

Can someone help me figure out where Nominoe should fit into the narrative? It seems like it naturally goes like this:

  1. Charlemagne dies in 817
  2. Britons invade shortly thereafter but fight amongst themselves
  3. Vikings attack in 843
  4. Vikings take over in 919
  5. Vikings expelled in 937

Does Nominoe fight off the Vikings in 850? Or were the Britons *and* Vikings both fighting over the territory in the years preceding 850? – Todorojo (talk) 23:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a message on @Oie blanche:'s French talk page, asking them to come here, as they've done the sourcework for this article. My impression, gleaned from fr:Histoire de Nantes, is that Charlemagne died, Louis II came to the throne. Then there was an attempted coup by Lambert II, heir of a dispossessed Frankish family, of the then-Frankish lands of Brittany (including Nantes), by killing Ricwin of Nantes. Charles the Bald (Charlemagne's grandson, who succeeded Louis II) awarded the land to the wrong person, a Frank. Hell broke loose, and Nominoe, a Breton who was Lambert's ally, united the Bretons against the Franks. There was later a treaty, La paix d'Angers, which created an independent Brittany, which Nominoe's son ruled over as the Duke of Brittany. Vikings attacked in 919, and expelled in 937. The independence of Brittany lasted until a royal marriage was made. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The first Viking raid happened in 843, while the town was still under Frankish control, and the Vikings did not settle. Thus Nominoe fought Franks in 850. Other raids occurred in the period and the Vikings integrated Nantes in their realm in 919. Regards, Oie blanche (talk) 08:40, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clearing that up for us, Oie blanche. Is that information (that the Vikings did not conquer the Franks, and Nominoe later fought the Franks, and under Breton rule the Vikings integrated Nantes in 919) covered in Pétré-Grenouilleau 2008, p. 26? --122.108.141.214 (talk) 09:09, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is. By the way, I noticed that you made a remark about the sentence on Corbilo. The thing is that this city is mentioned in ancient texts, but these texts are too vague to precisely locate the city. Archeologists have never found its remains. It could have been Nantes, but also Saint-Nazaire, Le Pouliguen or even Ancenis. Oie blanche (talk) 16:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you again - that will make it easier to copyedit. I have tried to include the information you have given us on the page so that it is easy for everyone to understand the timeline. What do you think, @Todorojo:? Oie blanche, so Nantes is one of many candidates that could have been the ancient city of Corbilo? Are the other candidates mentioned in Decours 2006, p. 10.? --122.108.141.214 (talk) 02:48, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's it, Nantes is one of the candidates that could have been Corbilo. I don't have Decours, 2006 with me anymore so I cannot double check the locations, but Pétré-Grenouilleau, 2008, 18, mentions Nantes, Saint-Nazaire and the Grande Brière as possible locations. Oie blanche (talk) 09:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again! I have reworded this point to say that Nantes was possibly Corbilo. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 21:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Slavery Memorial[edit]

I just added a new section on the Nantes Slavery Memorial but am new to Wikipedia and am not sure I did everything right. Please feel free to go through and edit/fix any issues, thanks! :) Sirbubble (talk) 21:30, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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