Talk:Nikolai Gogol

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Gogol is Ukrainian!![edit]

Gogol was born in Ukraine and lived there until he was 19. He wrote in Russian because this language was obligarory kn Ukraine due to Russian imperialism. He indeed lived in Russia for some time, but he as well lived in several European countries. The fact that he lived in Russia some years, doesnt make him Russian. Sasha Chu12347 (talk) 15:39, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutly agree!! In my opinion, due to Russian crisis, which our world is suffering from right now, it's really important correct this mistake as soon as possible. Kur4k111n (talk) 10:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
absolutely it makes no sense what is written here; a Russian writer from Ukraine does not exist. He is Ukrainian. 2601:281:203:2660:C39F:C18E:F7EB:6C92 (talk) 05:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article needs to be updated to remove any biases and potential culture appropriations. For example, Britannica reads "Ukrainian-born humorist, dramatist, and novelist whose works, written in Russian, significantly influenced the direction of Russian literature." This is perfect. Whoever is in charge of editing this article, please, update it accordingly. PhD Cambridge (talk) 09:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would advise you to take a look at discussion page for Igor Sikorsky. Igor too was of Ukrainian ethnic background, he was self referring to himself as Ukrainian, initially he was presenting himself as a Russian but in sense that he at the time saw Ukrainians as one of groups of Russians (just like Tatars, Kalmyks, Komi etc. were seen as Russians at the time). Mr Fantastic Knowledge (talk) 17:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's widely known that he was of Ukrainian ethnic origin and was even referring to himself as Ukrainian. Same situation was with Anton Chekhov - he was also an Ukrainian, self referred to himself as one, actually spoke Ukrainian and was publishing in Russian. Mr Fantastic Knowledge (talk) 17:36, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree too - the adjective that describes Gogol should be related to his nationality, not the language he wrote in. If we keep the description "Russian writer of Ukrainian origin" (if it is decided that language determines the adjective), then Edgar Allan Poe should not be described as "an American writer," but rather "an English writer of American origin." Shwabb1 (talk) 10:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That would be Russian-language Ukrainian writer, or Ukrainian writer of Russian-language literature, if the point is to be clear. But I’ll point out that Joseph Conrad is not an “English writer,” either.  —Michael Z. 22:38, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 April 2023[edit]

Should we shorten this short description to {{short description|Russian writer (1809–1852)}} that exceed more than 40 characters. 112.204.223.162 (talk) 23:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: It seems, based on the content of the article, that his Ukrainian origin is important to his writings. The article and its sources reference multiple times the fact that many of his works both drew from and had an impact on Ukrainian culture - I think the six extra characters here is fine. Tollens (talk) 23:38, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A few questions[edit]

Didn't the Ukrainian nationality appear in the mid-nineteenth century in the historical territories of Red Ruthenia controlled by the Austrian Empire in environments associated with the Uniate Church? Didn't the Austrian Germans support the Ukrainian Uniate Church against the Orthodox Ruthenians who sought protection in the Russian Empire? Wasn't it Lviv that was the center of the Ukrainian movement supported by the Austrian Empire. Didn't this movement appear in the Russian Empire only after Gogol's death, in the 1870s, in narrow student circles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.111.119.54 (talk) 14:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

nuh uh 216.245.77.37 (talk) 21:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No.
Ukrainians are mentioned by that name in English sources by 1760, and Ukraine by 1651.[1] Obviously the names were already in use in Ukraine.
Muscovy started suppressing Ukrainian language by 1620; see Chronology of Ukrainian language suppression. The Russian empire persecuted the Brotherhood of Saints Cyril and Methodius in 1847 for privately discussing Ukrainian nationality. It banned Ukrainian language in the 1863 Valuev Circular and 1876 Ems Ukaz.
Popular use of Ukraïntsi “Ukrainians” as an ethnonym started in the Russian empire in the nineteenth century by the people that had been officially labelled Malorossy “Little Russians”. In Habsburg lands it was only adopted at the beginning of the twentieth by people that had previously referred to themselves Rusyny or Rusnaky “Ruthenians.”
(When did Russian national identity form?)  —Michael Z. 15:30, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 August 2023[edit]

The language Gogol wrote in was Ukrainian and Russian. In the same text his Ukrainian upbringing is mentioned, but also usage of Ukrainian language as well as Russian. Moreover in the main head in brackets a Ukrainian spelling of his name should be mentioned - Mykola Gogol, he was stemming from the Ukrainian culture, spoke the language and was Ukrainian. Using Russian lang name spelling only and not mentioning that he also wrote in Ukrainian, removes that part of Gogol's life completely. Lettashtohr (talk) 08:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 20:57, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 November 2023[edit]

Change from:

Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol[a] (1 April [O.S. 20 March] 1809[1] – 4 March [O.S. 21 February] 1852) was a Russian novelist, short story writer, and playwright of Ukrainian origin.

To:

Nikolay Gogol, in full Nikolay Vasilyevich Gogol, (born March 19 [March 31, New Style], 1809, Sorochintsy, near Poltava, Ukraine, Russian Empire [now in Ukraine]—died February 21 [March 4], 1852, Moscow, Russia), Ukrainian-born humorist, dramatist, and novelist whose works, written in Russian, significantly influenced the direction of Russian literature. (Source: Britannica) 150.143.107.171 (talk) 04:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: I'm fairly certain some of the desired changes may breach certain manual of style conventions - I'd have to research it. More importantly, volunteers are going to need more information on your source rather than just stating it's written somewhere in Britannica. —Sirdog (talk) 05:31, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above is cribbed directly from the lead of Britannica’s “Nikolay Gogol.” Britannica doesn’t write he was a “Russian” anything since a 2017 update, because the term used in this vague way is misleading. —Michael Z. 19:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

google[edit]

is better then wekipida or no 216.245.77.37 (talk) 21:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edit[edit]

The first two "the"s in this sentence are unnecessary.

"Tsarist authorities encouraged the Ukrainian intellectuals to sever ties with the Poles, promoting a limited, folkloric Ukrainian particularism as part of the heritage of the Russian empire."

"Tsarist authorities encouraged Ukrainian intellectuals to sever ties with Poles, promoting a limited, folkloric Ukrainian particularism as part of the heritage of the Russian empire." CretaceousFella (talk) 14:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 January 2024[edit]

Spelling. Wrong version:

His father wrote poetry in Ukrainian as well as Russian, and was an amateur playwright in his own theatre. As was typical of the left-bank Ukrainian gentry of the early nineteenth century, the family was trinlingual speaking Ukrainian as well as Russian, and using Polish mostly in reading.[1] Mother was calling his son Nikola, which is a mixture of the Russian Nikolai and the Ukrainian Mykola.[1] As a child, Gogol helped stage plays in his uncle's home theater.[2]

Right version:

His father wrote poetry in Ukrainian as well as Russian, and was an amateur playwright in his own theatre. As was typical of the left-bank Ukrainian gentry of the early nineteenth century, the family was trilingual, speaking Ukrainian as well as Russian, and using Polish mostly for reading.[1] Mother was calling his son Nikola, which is a mixture of the Russian Nikolai and the Ukrainian Mykola.[1] As a child, Gogol helped stage plays in his uncle's home theater.[2] 178.41.182.163 (talk) 12:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 18:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b c d Bojanowska 2012, p. 160.
  2. ^ a b Bojanowska, Edyta M. (2007). Nikolai Gogol: Between Ukrainian and Russian Nationalism. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press. pp. 78–88. ISBN 9780674022911.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2024[edit]

Not all the information about the poet is correct. He wrote not only in Russian but Ukrainian language as well 213.124.223.2 (talk) 22:47, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 01:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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