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Hi LJ Holden

You did create GIF-file Provinces of new zealand timeline1.gif. It is a great help to show timeline of establishing different provinces in New Zealand. But the graphic shows wrong maps to the years 1841 und 1846.

On 16th of November 1840 the three main island of New Zealand have been named via letters patent to New Ulster (North Island), New Munster (South Island) und New Leinster (Stewart Island) for geographical reason. see Alison Dench: Essential Dates, A Timeline of New Zealand History, Random House, Auckland, 2005, page 59

According to the New Zealand Constitution Act 1846 the Island have been divided for administrative reasons into New Ulster and New Munster. Stewart Island was taken to New Munster and on 10th of March 1848 on the North Island the area of south of Patea River was taken to New Munster by proclamation of governor George Edward Grey. http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/provinces

Could you please check your animation and could you make a correction. Kind Regards. -- Ulanwp (talk) 17:50, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

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Hello. Help expand, add cites for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. Uuithy (talk) 03:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I have no idea who that is sorry. --LJ Holden 03:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

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This is where a link appears to be something, but goes to something entirely unexpected when clicked. So, at Rail transport in New Zealand, your link [[New Zealand Railways Department|Government Department]] would seem to the reader to be a link to "Government Department". Instead, it goes to the Railways Department article. In effect, such links are useless because their intended destination is hidden. Hope you don't mind me pointing this out. Akld guy (talk) 02:28, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

No worries, makes sense. Thanks for your edits! --LJ Holden 03:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Cheers. Akld guy (talk) 03:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

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Read the manual of style a little further and also refer to the other sections concerning reference. Eddaido (talk) 01:11, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

FYI Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Notes_and_references --LJ Holden 01:14, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, have a good read. Eddaido (talk) 05:04, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Hence why I've been using "Notes and references", as that's what major Wiki articles use, and it's in line with the MoS. If I'm wrong, feel free to point that out, just saying read a "little further" doesn't explain anything. --LJ Holden 08:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

The only reason I can find for this is that you inhabit a part of WP that relates to railways which I would normally have no reason to enter. Your amendment (which you correctly say is suggested by MoS) is one I have never noticed before which is why it 'stuck in my craw'. I am accustomed to occasionally creating "Notes" which appear over the template {{reflist group=note}}. You mess things up by taking the word notes as a heading for what is otherwise known in my experience as References —which, as I acknowledge, . . . MoS. However when you read MoS further past that first (to me strange) suggestion you will find the wording suggested conforms with what I have experienced as the norm (maybe in the part of WP I roam in). In view of the MoS statement you refer to I have not set out on a full-scale edit war to the death all guns blazing but are you sure your preferred headings are actually conventional —as distinct from being the first suggestion in MoS? I'll put links or quotes from MoS below in a little while. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 21:53, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Eddaido, I'm editing a lot of railways articles at the moment because most of the articles have been in a mess for some time with uncited and dubious claims added over the past few years. In that time the way references work and are templated has changed a lot, for the better, so that we can now reference specific pages and entire sources (usually books, but sometimes journals). After looking at a lot of other Wikipedia articles (not just in the railways sphere) I found, along with the MoS, a number had their references split between what I'd call citations and references. On reflection I agree the use of "Notes" is confusing, I acknowledge that there are also "Footnotes" - so, therefore, my solution is:

• Section title: References and bibiography
  • Subsection "References"
  • Subsection "Bibliography"

Thoughts? --LJ Holden 23:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

(Edit clash so written without reference to your last note)

The link you have provided above take me to these statements:

1.Explanatory footnotes- these are what I would put under the heading 'Notes'

2. & 3. Citation footnotes — 'References'

4. 'General References'.

It seems to me you want to: allow no room for 1., use Notes for 2. & 3., and use References for 4.

Note the WP antiwar declaration <grin> Editors may use any citation method they choose

Then comes this section: (Am I right to guess this is the guidance you followed?)

If multiple sections are wanted, then some possibilities include:

For a list of explanatory footnotes or shortened citation footnotes: "Notes", "Endnotes", or "Footnotes"

For a list of full citations or general references: "References" or "Works cited"

I guess you pick up on shortened citation footnotes to go under "Notes", "Endnotes", or "Footnotes". But, haven't you put 'Notes' over a list of full citations and not over explanatory or shortened stuff?

I Hate rulebooks. Eddaido (talk) 23:11, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Ah, that's the issue as always with Wikipedia... anyone can edit it, but it does have rules and guidelines, although they're fluid and change all the time and can, as in this case, be unclear and unhelpful. So we end up winging it. My rule of thumb is to refer to other articles, especially the "A" grade ones.

I think what your saying is right. What I've put as Footnotes should now be Notes, and what I've got as Notes should be References, and what I've got as References should be General References, although it seems it's more common to put "Further reading" sections in. --LJ Holden 23:17, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that's good and now I guess why we are on different if parallel tracks. I cannot abide the super complex curly bracket form of citation and that is your preferred style. It is extremely hard to edit and I can find nothing good to say of it. So if you are using that form in your NZR work you will see what we are discussing quite differently from me. We seem to have established where we differed. Have a nice weekend, it might be wet for a change.

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Yep Uncommon Carrier states that it's spelled Otaihanga. Happy to add that. LJ Holden 09:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC) Done already Hugo999 (talk) 02:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm wondering if you have the volume and issue numbers for some of the citations that you've used on the railroad articles. An issue came up where quite a few have shown up in Category:Pages with citations having redundant parameters. Not immediately after you edited though; it was only after someone else came through and modified the reference elements. It's been in the last week or so that I've seen those pop up. I am one of the major contributors to that tracking category and is why I noticed. Have a good day, Dawnseeker2000 20:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I see what's happened, all fixed now. The "Issue" numbers refer to the number in the NZRO series of a volume, so they're not really issues. All that's needed for accurate citation really is the NZRO number and page. --LJ Holden 20:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

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Cool, thanks. I think that's their Annual Report. --LJ Holden 21:11, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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Log cradle container links to it. Peter Horn User talk 01:57, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Horn: Sure, I'll look into it, will need to establish why they're notable. --LJ Holden 22:17, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

The best that I was able to find so far. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/royal-wolf Peter Horn User talk 17:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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No I'm not a member of FRONZ. Yes it was a mistake. --LJ Holden 10:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, have a good evening :) Fork99 (talk) 10:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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see also https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/474542/king-charles-iii-officially-proclaimed-as-new-zealand-s-new-king

"We therefore, The Right Honourable Dame Cindy Kiro, Governor-General of New Zealand, The Right Honourable Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister of New Zealand, and Members of the Executive Council, assisted by members of Parliament, Judges, Representatives of the Realm, and numerous other representative citizens here present, hereby proclaim that His Royal Highness Prince Charles Philip Arthur George is now King Charles III, By the Grace of God King of New Zealand and of His Other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith..." 199.119.233.164 (talk) 03:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, no mention of the United Kingdom. Not sure why you added that in. --LJ Holden 10:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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Invitation to an in-person meetup in Mohua / Golden Bay

Golden Bay Air are holding some seats for us until 21 November

Thinking about your summer break? Think about joining other Wikipedians and Wikimedians in Golden Bay / Mohua! Details are on the meetup page. There's heaps of interesting stuff to work on e.g. the oldest extant waka or New Zealand's oldest ongoing legal case. Or you may spend your time taking photos and then upload them.

Golden Bay is hard to get to and the airline flying into Tākaka uses small planes, so we are holding some seats from and to Wellington and we are offering attendees a $200 travel subsidy to help with costs.

Be in touch with Schwede66 if this event interests you and you'd like to discuss logistics. Schwede66 09:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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